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Scott and Amy Fandel-missing children since 1978 in Stirling Alaska

2020.07.24 08:08 akbrit4959 Scott and Amy Fandel-missing children since 1978 in Stirling Alaska

“STILL MISSING by SHEILA TOOMEY. Anchorage Daily News. September 4, 1988
Touch the Fandel case, then try to let go; try to forget it. Not a chance. Ten years ago two children, Scott and Amy Fandel, disappeared from their cabin home in Sterling, on the Kenai Peninsula south of Anchorage. They just vanished. Both of them Scott, 13 and Amy, 8. At 10:30 p.m. Sept. 5, 1978, they were happy and safe. At 2 the next morning, they were gone. No sign of them has ever been found. Dozens of investigators spent thousands of hours running down hundreds of angles. Nothing. "Quirks and spider web leads," said a former Alaska State Trooper who spent years searching for Scott and Amy. "Leads that don't go anywhere." Ten years have passed since the night the children vanished, years of change for everyone who knew them. Their parents divorced and remarried; their friends grew up; the cabin where they lived burned down and most Alaskans don't know their names. But the years have not changed Scott and Amy. They remain as they were, frozen in time: a brighteyed adolescent and a gaptoothed 8yearold, grinning out from old photographs. Those faces have been smiling at Trooper Sgt. Tom Sumey for a decade. There at the beginning, as an investigator assigned to the Soldotna trooper post, he's back on the case now. And 10 years after it happened, Sumey has a new lead. Not a big lead. Something that's been in the file all these years. "I can't find anyone who followed up on it," he said, and would say no more. No one noticed the kids were missing for 15 hours or more. That was the first bad break in the case. At the Alaska State Trooper station in Soldotna, the missing persons report filed by their mother was logged in at 5:14 p.m. on Sept. 6. Margaret Fandel, then a 31yearold waitress at a restaurant in Kenai, is a small, pretty woman with a friendly disposition and a hearing impairment. In September 1978, Margaret was in a bad place in her life. Roger Fandel, her husband of more than 10 years, had left her in January and then moved out of state. The marriage had been rocky for a long time. Roger had a strong sense of family and dominated the relationship, but he liked other women and Margaret began to drink. A homebody by nature, Margaret found herself working long hours to pay the bills. She was a woman men instinctively wanted to protect, and she was lonely. She looked for company among the party people who hung out at local bars, sometimes leaving the children home alone at night. But Scott was 13 an unusually mature 13 by most accounts and a competent babysitter for his younger sister. A cloudy sky threatened rain on Sept. 5, typical weather for this time of year. At Soldotna Junior High School, Scott handed in an assignment, a journal, written in pencil on lined notebook paper. Ten years later the faded words are hard to read, but the voice is clear: "Dear Journal: Today at 3:30 an aunt of mine is coming up to live with us. She's never been to Alaska. Matter of fact, she's never been out of Illinois, where she lives. She's going to have a birthday tomorrow. She'll be 20. Cathy is her name. She's going to live with us for the rest of her life. What else can I say? She is going to work with my mom at the Italian Gardens restaurant." Aunt Cathy Schonfelder arrived as scheduled Tuesday afternoon and that evening Margaret, Cathy, Scott and Amy had supper at home together, then straightened up the house for a while. The Fandels lived in a twobedroom log cabin off Scout Lake Road, about half a mile in from the Sterling Highway, just south of the cluster of stores and businesses that make up the town of Sterling. Scout Lake Loop is a wide country road that separates a state campground from acres of private woodland dotted with shacks, trailers, cabins, neat farmsteads and some larger, more expensive homes. In 1978, only a few homes intruded on the forest. The Fandels lived in a birch woods, their cabin set on a gravel pad that could barely be seen from the road. The lot had electricity and indoor plumbing, and a bright "street light" mounted high on an outside pole. The closest neighbors were Nancy and Bill Lupton, who lived with their five children in a Quonset hut about 200 yards away. Children from both families wore a path through the trees, visiting each other. Scott and Amy stopped at the Quonset hut each morning to join the Lupton children for the walk to the school bus stop. After dinner, Margaret, Cathy and the children drove down the highway toward Soldotna to Good Time Charlie's, a bar that featured video games, pool, Foosball and maybe a dice game or two. By all reports, nothing unusual happened. The women drank beer and socialized, the kids drank Coke and everyone had a good time. Around 10 p.m., Margaret and Cathy decided to drive to Kenai to see a friend who worked at a hotel there. They gave a bartender Margaret knew a lift to Soldotna, then dropped off Scott and Amy at home. Margaret pulled into the driveway and the kids got out. Aunt Cathy yelled to Scott to be sure to lock the door. Scott laughed. The lock didn't work. The kids went inside. The lights went on. The adults drove away. Margaret never saw her children again. Nancy Lupton no longer lives in the Quonset hut. Her children are grown and she and her husband have split up. Today she lives a few hundred yards south of Scout Lake, on a small farm. At her kitchen table Lupton lit a cigarette, digging for details across the years. Scott and Amy came to her house that night, she said, after Margaret dropped them off. They were full of talk about their aunt. "They were happy. ... This was family. It was a big deal." The kids all played in the back room for a while, but the noise level got too high. "They got to using the beds for trampolines," Lupton said, so she sent the Fandels home. "It was just that path between the houses. They did it all the time. It was no big deal. ... It was just another night. There was no confusion ... no one was tearing up and down the road in cars, the dogs weren't barking." She didn't hear anything. Margaret and Cathy got home at about 2 a.m. They never found their friend in Kenai. Instead, they'd been to Larry's Club and the Rainbow Bar. Margaret wondered about finding the house dark. The kids were afraid of the dark and usually turned every light in the place on. A neighboring family, on their way home at about 11:45, noticed the house all lit up. But at 2 a.m. the cabin was dark and empty. There were no signs of a fight, nothing out of place. Scott's jacket was there, and his motorcycle was still outside. A package of macaroni and an open can of tomatoes sat on the kitchen counter, a pot of warm water on the stove. Scott liked to make a macaroni snack before going to bed, and had evidently begun to do so. Margaret concluded the children stayed next door at the Luptons, and she and Cathy went to bed. The next morning, Margaret called the school from work. "I told them to tell Amy Fandel she was in trouble for not coming home first." The school said Amy hadn't showed up yet. Margaret's boss said she couldn't leave work until after lunch. She was worried, but not yet seriously alarmed. There were so many innocent possibilities. Wednesday afternoon, everyone seemed to discover at the same time that the children were really gone. Cathy became alarmed when they didn't come home on the school bus with the other kids. The Lupton children reported that Scott and Amy hadn't been in school all day. Margaret raced home from work. She began frantically calling the children's friends. "At first it just seemed like she was overreacting," said Danette Hakkinen Boyle, Scott's good friend and contemporary. Now 23, Boyle said she "thought maybe they ran away. That was the safest thing to believe." Margaret tried to call Roger in Arizona. Roger was everyone's first thought. But she couldn't reach him, and his family said he did not have the children. When she finally figured out that no one had seen Scott and Amy since the night before, Margaret called the troopers. At 43, Roger Fandel's beard is graying, but he still wears a HarleyDavidson cap on his head, a knife at his belt and a dropdead tone in his voice. He will tell you himself that he is prone to violence. He radiates aggression, and enjoys the effect it has on others. Six feet tall, burly and bearded, Roger is an imposing presence, by nature and by design, a tough guy. Ask anyone. Ask him. A welder, a biker and a sure shot with a pistol, he's been down a lot of mean streets. These days he lives somewhere in the West, "on 100 acres in the middle of nowhere" and never mind the name of the town. You want to find him? Leave a message with the Plumbers and Steamfitters Union. Scott was is Roger's son in every way except by birth. When Roger met Margaret, Scott was 2 years old. His natural father lived in another town and wasn't interested. "He couldn't talk," Roger said. "He would only say "no.' He threw tantrums. He was a problem child. ... By 3 he could count, almost read. He flowered with me. I spent the time with him. I took him everywhere for years." Scott cared about things, said Roger. "He was a kid you could teach. He wanted to learn. "He adored me." The personalities of the children shaped the theories of what happened to them. Scott was savvy, too smart to have gone with a stranger. He was "small and sort of cocky," according to his mother. "He thought he was cool." In school Scott was the class prankster, said his eighthgrade teacher, Jim Brickey. He took dares and would eat flies for $1. He was good looking but hadn't reached the girlcrazy stage yet, a likeable boy who respected authority but wasn't shy about speaking his mind. He got passing but not great grades. He was Amy's devoted protector. As for Amy, "beautiful" is everyone's first adjective. "Beautiful and gentle and kind," said Margaret. "Kind to animals, kind to people. She loved dolls ... she loved pretty clothes and pretty shoes." She was always playing cards rummy and war and was learning to play chess. "A good sport and a fair player," wrote Amy's secondgrade teacher on her 1977 report card. "Well behaved. Gets along well with everyone. Good study habits. Takes pride in neat work. Finishes quickly and to her best ability. She is a joy." "She was real innocent," said Nancy Lupton, "She was just like a walking dollbaby." Motorcycle competition was a family hobby. Roger, Margaret and Scott all rode. Roger gave Scott his first bike at age 6. The Yamaha YZ80 Scott left behind when he disappeared cost more than $3,000 and was just about the most important thing in his life. He never walked when he could ride. In the days after Scott and Amy vanished, dogs were brought in to search the woods for evidence they had walked away on their own. But no one really believed it. For one thing, Scott had passed a wilderness survival course and would never have run away without taking appropriate gear, Brickey, his teacher, said. And he loved his parents. He was unhappy about them splitting up and was known to chide Margaret about her drinking. He was a 13yearold boy and didn't like mom dating men who weren't daddy. "But he loved his mother to death," Lupton said. "He would never have stayed away." Chuck Hagen, formerly with the troopers in Soldotna, was in charge of the case through most of the 1980s. "The absolute most unanswered thing to me is why that night, and why was it done, and why the kids left without a struggle." If not a stranger, then a friend? Did a prank get out of hand? Was there an accident someone couldn't bear owning up to? Did Amy attract some unspeakable depravity? Did Scott die trying to protect her? Who took them and why? And where are they now? From the beginning, the disappearance of the Fandel children was a case with too many leads and no answers to all the questions. Trooper John Tanguy got the case on Thursday, Sept. 7, 1978. He happened to be on duty that day. He had been a trooper for two years. Tanguy found the ages of the missing children odd too young to get very far as runaways and too old to be taken against their will. "To tell you the truth, the first thought I had ... was that the father ... had either come and got the kids or had someone get the kids." Because of the lapse between the time they vanished and the time troopers arrived on the scene, investigators had little physical evidence to work with. "So many people had already come and gone," Tanguy said. "Friends, relatives, neighbors, before we ever got there. People had driven over, people had picked up, moved things. Nothing was as it was." Volunteers searched the woods. Dogs were brought in from Anchorage. The ferries were searched. The Canadian border station was notified and Scout Lake dragged. A tap was put on Margaret's phone. Nothing. Roger Fandel flew to Alaska from Arizona and, by the weekend, Tanguy was working on the assumption that Roger did not have the children, that they had been kidnapped. This opened the door to every weirdo who set foot on the Kenai Peninsula that year. And there were plenty. It was the end of summer at the height of the oil boom transients galore. Trooper Tom Sumey joined the investigation in the first week. "When you get into that bar crowd," he said, "you've got so many hinks that live in the bars. You've got so many people Margaret hung around with." Today a task force would be assigned to a case like this, Sumey said. Back then, he and Tanguy and whoever else had some free time exhausted themselves, running down paths that led nowhere: Roger Fandel: The estranged father was bound to be an early suspect, but investigators looked at Roger for a long time. Much longer than he thinks they should have. As recently as three years ago, Hagen went to California and got a warrant to search Roger's home after some insurance investigators reported a young, blonde woman living there. Roger has been a problem for the troopers since the beginning. They can't figure him out and that's the way he likes it. Roger deals with men by challenging them. He pushes first, just in case anyone is considering pushing him. He baits and antagonizes. He left investigators feeling, as Tanguy did: "You had to keep watching him." A lot of time was wasted following up on Roger's activities, Tanguy said, checking where he lived, how long he stayed there, if there were any children around. Today all three investigators who handled the case say they are convinced Roger had nothing to do with the children's disappearance. Margaret isn't ready to let go of the idea completely. It's her best hope that the children are still alive. Roger said his status as a suspect took him by surprise, but he was willing to accept it at first. He understood the troopers had to check him out. "But they never dropped that to pursue what they did have," he said. "They never let go of me. ... I'm a victim. They have treated me as a bad guy. ... They dwelt on me way too long, too hard. They spent way too much money on me. That money could have been spent maybe on another blind alley, but not on me." The Carnival Workers: Among Margaret's acquaintences were two men from the East Coast, who visited the Kenai Peninsula in late August, crashing at least one night at her house. They drove a black sedan. Early in the investigation, Sumey found a witness who saw a black sedan speed away from the road in front of the Fandel driveway the night the children disappeared. Suspecting a burglar, he followed the sedan and watched the driver pull into another driveway and turn off his headlights. The witness continued down the highway a bit, then turned around, just in time to see the black sedan pull out of the driveway and speed off. This description of the car was all troopers had to go on, that and a nickname for one of the men, which turned out to be wrong, and the description of a third man seen with them. After months of work, the two men were identified and located in Maryland. In the spring of 1979, Tanguy went to Maryland to interview them, with high hopes that the case had finally been solved. One man admitted having driven the black sedan down Scout Lake Road to visit Margaret. But he changed his mind, he said, and drove away. But, he said, all that happened the night after Scott and Amy vanished. He was in Anchorage on Sept. 5, he said, waiting for a paycheck from the Alaska State Fair. Fair records indicated both men had worked at the fair on Sept. 4 and gotten paid on Sept. 6, Sumey said. In 1978 and 1979, the black sedan was a hot lead. It was so easy to imagine the children in the back seat as it sped through the night. It's still a compelling vision. Each investigator assigned to the case over the years has checked and rechecked the story. Five years ago, Sumey went back and asked the witness if he could have been mistaken about the night. He said sure. It seems to be a dead end, Sumey said, but the man from Maryland remains on the short list of suspects. The Dogooders and Satanists: As if she didn't have enough grief to deal with, Margaret Fandel was blamed for the kidnapping by people who disapproved of her lifestyle or thought she shouldn't have left the children alone. Rumors flew that a church group or other alleged dogooders had taken the children to save them. As a counterpoint to this, there was talk that devil worshipers had taken them. In a case with no facts, all things seem possible. The Strip Joint Operator from Anchorage: In an apparent coincidence that produced a major red herring early in the case, a man involved in the Anchorage sex trade was introduced to Margaret by a mutual friend at one of the bars she and Cathy visited the night the kids disappeared. Mr. W. was in the process of expanding his business by moving a "motel" from Anchorage to Soldotna. Three days later, when word of the children's disappearance became public, Mr. W. showed up at Margaret's home, with one of her sisters. They had coincidentally taken the same plane from Anchorage. In a case with no facts, this was too much coincidence. Investigators ran this guy through a small sieve. Mr. W. seemed determined to attract the trooper's attention. He posted an anonymous $5,000 reward for information about the children nothing more than an effort to generate good will for the new business, according to his partner at the time. But the troopers found it strange. There was talk of a pornography ring in Sterling and children being sold into sexual slavery. "It didn't help that (he) buried his car on the property he was putting that motel on," Tanguy added. "They dug (it up) to see if there was a couple of kids in the trunk." When questioned, Mr. W. said he just got tired of the car and had to put it somewhere. "We had this kind of stuff going on all the time." said Tanguy, who had the case for two years. "I kept thinking, "This is not real. The world is not like this."' The Union and Revenge: this theory was and remains an impossible tangle of charges and countercharges involving primarily Roger, his Uncle Herman Fandel, a retired union leader, and family feuds that go back decades. The family started out as dirt poor farmers in Illinois, according to both Herman and Roger 13 brothers and sisters, including Herman and Roger's father. Many Fandels are members of the Plumbers and Steamfitters Union, which is what brings them in and out of Alaska. Roger likens his family to a clan of warring Elizabethans. "It's the kind of family that should have been around when the world began," he said. "They would have gone off in different directions and colonized the world because we could not be around each other." For reasons too convoluted to unravel here, Herman and Roger hate each other with a blood heat. They call each other evil and each claims to believe the other capable of kidnapping and killing the children. Herman is an affluent and successful member of the Kenai community charter fishing, a small hotel. He wept bitterly about the public humiliation his family endured when a couple of his brothers convinced the troopers to dig up his yard, looking for the missing kids. Over the years, investigators have wasted a lot of time and energy checking out Fandels, mainly at the instigation of other Fandels. But with no facts available, even something as absurd as murdering children for revenge sounds possible. The Hoaxes: One of the strangest and most disheartening aspects of the Fandel investigation has been a series of phony leads. The case attracted five or six psychics and the files contain their statements, dutifully recorded by deadlocked and desperate investigators, who felt they had to listen to anyone. Some of the psychics were no doubt wellintentioned but the result of their interference was pain for Margaret, like driving around Sterling with them while they saw visions of her children or felt vibrations. "It's amazing how many people want to get involved," Margaret said. She says she's sworn off all private investigators, psychic or otherwise. The worst hoax cost Hagen and Sumey months of work. It began with a call from a missing children's organization. They said they had gotten a call from the college roommate of a girl whose parents lived in the Sterling area. This roommate said the girl had terrible nightmares and talked about something dreadful happening at her house the night Scott and Amy disappeared. It sounded so convincing. What motive could anyone have for making up a story like that? Hagen and Sumey thought this was the break everyone had been waiting for. The roommate turned out to not exist. The calls had been made by a local woman who wanted the troopers to investigate her favorite suspects. "A lot of desks were kicked," Hagen said. "You never understood why people would screw with you. ... We should have charged her with something." Everyone who works the Fandel case comes away feeling it had more than its fair share of oddballs. Said former Trooper Joe Hoffbeck, who worked on some of the Anchorage angles. "Every person involved in this seemed to be strange. You'd look at them and say, "There's something here, but does it have to do with this case?"' In the end, none of the leads panned out. A year passed and the children were still missing. On Oct. 21, 1979, shortly before he resigned from the troopers, Tanguy wrote in the file: "All leads and extensive investigation failed to disclose the location of the reported missing persons. ... All the logical leads of investigation have been exhausted. Case closed ... pending further investigative leads or suspect." Touch the Fandel case, then try to let go. It's a tarbaby. It grabs you. A lot of people think not being able to find the children drove Tanguy out of the troopers. Now 48 years old, he is a security official on the North Slope. "I don't know," he said. "I don't even know how to answer that to myself." Margaret calls Tanguy "the most caring" of all the investigators who tackled the case. "He worked on it day and night. He always wanted to find the kids and who was responsible for it." "When you're dealing with kids, I think you get a little more intense." Tanguy said. "I don't think I'm unique in that case. ... Since I didn't come up with the answer, I can find all kinds of things I should have done, or could have done different, or people I could have approached differently. "Somebody knew. The kids weren't snatched up by a UFO. Somebody knew, and as sure as I'm sitting here, it was somebody I talked to. Somewhere along the line, I touched him and didn't know it." Chuck Hagen, 37, retired from the troopers last year. He now runs a commercial fishing and charter business out of Homer. For years he dreamed about the case and talking about it now turns him into an instant chain smoker. "It was probably the most emotionally draining thing I have ever done in my life. ... I lost I don't know how many weeks on end of sleepless nights, thinking how come? Why that night? Why did they disappear? ... So many times I thought I had solved it. "You hate to resolve to yourself that they were taken and killed. "I think everyone who grabs this case thinks they can solve it." About four years ago, Hagen thought he had it solved when someone reported a man had moved from Haines to Arizona with two children who could be Scott and Amy. After checking out the basic details, "I knew I had found the kids," Hagen said. He flew to Flagstaff, Ariz., then to Page, where children fitting the descriptions had attended school for a month at about the right time. He showed their pictures to teachers. "They said absolutely no, it wasn't Scott. But it could be Amy." The quest led to a man living with a blonde girl in a trailer court. "So I'm up on cloud nine," Hagen said. "The kids are alive again. ... I called my boss and told him I found her, I found her. He said good, call me at any time of the day or night." When the man returned to his trailer, "I pounced on him and got the little girl. And it definitely wasn't Amy. He had pictures of her since she was born." Hagen thinks Scott and Amy are dead. "One man did it and is not saying anything to anybody. ... Someone who pegged them at Good Time Charlie's, playing pool. They saw the man there. That man knew where they lived or followed them home. ... Someone heard Margaret say, "Your auntie and I are going to go out and party for a while. I want you to fix dinner and then go right to bed."' In a case with no facts, it's as good a theory as any. The disappearance of Scott and Amy upset the lives of the men who failed to find them, but it nearly destroyed their parents. While Tanguy and Sumey searched for the children, Margaret made the kids Halloween costumes. When October came and went and the children didn't come home, she began buying them Christmas presents. Most of the time she was on heavy medication and 30 seconds from hysteria. "I don't remember a lot about how I felt," she said. When the backhoes were called in because of some psychic's dream, she refused to watch. Christmas came and went. Then another. The finance company eventually took the cabin and, in 1980, she left Alaska. Back in the Midwest, she worked and drank to forget. "I was on a selfdestructive course for five or six years," she said. "I didn't think I had any reason to live. Every job I had I worked from opening to closing." Four years ago she met the man she has since married and walked away from bars for good. She says he saved her life. Margaret lives on a farm now. She raises chickens and runs a small refinishing and upholstery business. "Just what I always wanted," she said. She can't have any more children, but she and her husband take in hardtoplace foster kids and have been approved by the state to adopt a 12yearold girl. She holds tight to the belief that Scott and Amy are coming home. "I'm still waiting," she said. "I watch every talk show where the topic is missing children. ... I'm not going to have any other thought but that my kids are alive. ... If I don't know anything, I'd rather believe they're alive." Roger Fandel looked for his children for years, in bigcity dives and pornographic sinkholes where people who steal children sell them for sex. He lived a reckless, violent life, he said, a danger to himself and others. "I didn't care if I died in this quest, as long as I tried. I knew my chance of success was real slim but it was something I had to put myself through." He won't say the children are dead. "What if my giving up was the last bit of power removed from their survival?" And he won't say they're alive. "From my relationship with my son, I know he would contact me. But I have been wrong about a lot of things in my life. Why can't I be wrong about this?" Roger blames himself for what happened. A man is supposed to protect his children. Instead, because he wanted out of the marriage with Margaret, he left them alone and vulnerable. In his worst nightmares, his children were killed by his enemies. So here he is, 10 years later, sitting in a greasy spoon in Spenard, his eyes filled with tears and his voice breaking. "I carry the guilt that I took the protection from my children. ... I subjected my children to what they went through." Roger's secret hope those are not his words is hard to distinguish from a nightmare: Maybe Scott will see this story and get in touch, he said. Maybe he'll say he didn't call sooner because he didn't think anyone cared. "Maybe he thought because I left that I didn't love him." In the past, Roger has spent Sept. 5 alone. "Everyone that knows me knows that September 5th is a holy day with me." But this year he's going to spend the day with his new daughter, 4yearold Tamson Lee. The aloneness doesn't work, he said. "Grief has to be shared or it will kill you." Ten years Monday. Scott would be 23 now, Amy, 18. Who took them, and why? Are they alive somewhere? What kind of person could murder two children and live with it all these years? The investigation has come full circle. Sumey, who was there at the beginning, inherited the case when Hagen retired in December. The big green files, thick with old efforts, sit on his desk now. He has other duties and works on the case in fits and spurts. But that's all right. He has time. "This case can be solved," he said. Surely this feeling of mystery is just imagination, but it's September again and the children are still missing.”
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2020.02.06 23:21 aeyephoto The Longest, Craziest, Convoluted Proposal Ever - Part 2

This is Part 2 of a continuing story. Look for Part 1 before reading!
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The Pre Side Quest + Side Quest
[BRIEF]
Brief: This took place at Krystal's house with her family present. It was done in a gameshow format, where Brit was the contestant answering trivia questions. Her family served as the audience, but could also help her out at certain points in the game. This “side quest” gave her the opportunity to win prizes, and additional game cards which she could use to speed up the main game.
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Detailed: This side quest was a lot different from the others. It was nearing her birthday and I wanted to do something extra special for that. The things to consider at this point was that we needed to begin wrapping up these quests because I was targeting October to be the time of the proposal. That’s when the leaves will begin to change colors over at Flagstaff and she needs to be able to open the box when that happens. So she needs more numbers (she only has three so far), except I just couldn’t set up these quests fast enough because they take up so much planning and time. So how do you give her more numbers without making it look like you’re giving them away?
The only way to do this was to give her the opportunity to win them. Easily, but not too easy. It would have to be something more than a scavenger hunt this time, and elaborate enough to act as the centerpiece of her birthday celebration. So I thought about doing a big gameshow instead, with her family as the “audience” who she can also call upon to help with certain questions.
It was going to be a trivia gameshow where she can win points towards certain prizes. Yes, some of those prizes included Heart Reveal cards she can choose to play to get some of the Heartnumbers directly, thus speeding up the whole proposal game.
I wrote up tons of questions all ranging from relationship details/history, or about me, or even something that a member of her family might know. I rigged an Apple TV to Krystal's TV so I can beam the slides and graphics from my MacBook Pro over to her TV, where it could be visible to everyone. I had Don be in charge of the audio/visual while I play the host. For this I wore a suit and went full on gameshow host cosplay.
Pre side quest...
Before the day of the gameshow, I thought it would be nice to go on a little pre side quest where she would have the opportunity to win 3 bonus cards which could assist her in the gameshow, if she ever gets stuck on any of the questions. Those three cards were:
  1. Reveal answer
  2. Eliminate two wrong answers (questions were multiple choice of 4)
  3. Phone a friend
I set up this little pre side quest in her family’s cabin in the woods, because I wanted to incorporate it in the game somehow. It’s been such an important place for our relationship and one of our favorite places to go. Using the Heartsfinity Customer Service lore that I started with from the last quest, I created a fake gmail and began emailing her as a Heartsfinity Customer Service rep who’s been tasked with helping her. The email read that because of the screwup on their 3rd quest, and as a token of goodwill to our continued loyalty in choosing them to be our scavenger hunt company of choice, they will airdrop some gifts to help her out on the next part of her quest. Unfortunately, the wind sort of blew them off course from their target zone (the cabin) so she needs to go out into the woods and find them.
But before she can even venture outside, this little pre side quest actually starts inside the cabin. She needs to find some crucial tools to help us for our trek in the woods. She was tasked in finding two things that I had hidden in the cabin: a compass and a set of foot directions for those lost airdropped gifts. After a few min of searching, she found one of them in the washing machine and the other item was in the freezer.
After she collected the compass and directions, she learned that she had to basically walk for x amount of minutes in x direction to get to the gifts, which was somewhere in the forest outside the cabin. She had to use her Apple Watch to time our walk and the compass to make sure our bearing was accurate. When we got close to the spot in the forest, I told her to listen for the chime, as thats the only way to pinpoint the exact location of the hidden gifts. (Again, Tile tracker was our friend for this). We activated the tracker in our phone, and we could hear the unmistakable electronic chime of something in the distance. After pinpointing the spot with our ears, she uncovers a bag hidden on the ground with the aforementioned gifts: the bonus game cards and a complimentary freeze dried ice cream for the hike! All compliments of the Heartsfinity Company of course ;)
She’s still confused to the purpose of the game cards because it hasn’t been revealed that there’s going to be a gameshow setup for the next quest, but I told her to be patient and keep the game cards because they’ll be relevant soon enough. After our weekend in the cabin, we went back down south to Phoenix and I told her that this next part would require us to stop by at Krystal's house to continue with the rest of the side quest.
Some background before we get to the actual gameshow…
This next part took a lot of preparation and rehearsal with her family. Some weeks before, I had revealed to them my idea of creating a gameshow for Brit, as a special thing that I’m doing for her birthday and everyone has their part to play in it. First, there needs to be some feigning and I wanted her to walk somewhere thinking that it’s going to be something else but it ends up being a surprised gameshow. For this, I needed to dress up Krystal's house.
I was imagining a room full of candles. Like hundreds of LED candles, just lighting up every surface and shelf. Even her family gets to line up in the back, silently and solemnly holding up a row of candles. It had to look dazzling with romantic music playing in the background. I wanted her to enter the house thinking that this was it… this had to be where it’s gonna happen… and then boom! Everyone yells “GAMESHOW!” and all the lights flip back on and then she finds out that she is actually in a gameshow where she is the unwitting contestant.
A bit cruel? Perhaps. I think the whole point with all the feigning was that I wanted to give her multiple proposal situations. Like… I know that I could have done it this way, and it would still have been grand and beautiful… but I didn’t. The actual proposal is going to be something else entirely and it’s going to be much better. And yet I still wanted to let you feel how it would have felt like if I had chosen to do it this way anyway.
I know I can’t make complete sense of it, but I was also imagining this whole thing was supposed to be one big proposal made up of many quests, and they all could have been their own proposal. But she didn’t get that or this specific proposal scenario. Instead she got all of them together. The complete and ultimate proposal experience? Or maybe I’m just a twisted dude with a dark sense of humor, I don’t know. But that’s the way it happened so continuing on…
So after several bulk orders of cheap Amazon LED candles and a lot of prep work later… the house was ready for the big show and here we are back to the present…
So after she walks in Krystal's dark over-the-top candlelit house, nervous and unsure of what’s going on, everything played out exactly the way that we had rehearsed it. The soft music abruptly cuts, the lights flipped back on, and the cheesy gameshow theme song and graphics lit up the TV with everyone yelling, “Gameshow!” on queue to break the romantic mood. Then I explained the rules of the game to her in my cheesy gameshow voice. I can’t go into any more detail on how it was played without making this longer than it already is, so to fast forward...
At the end, she managed to win a coupon book (a book full of favors and errands that I will personally do for her) and more importantly, 3 Heart Reveal cards! So doing the math, she has 3 out of 8 of the numbers from the quests, 1 Reveal card (as a freebee from the start of the game), plus the 3 Reveal cards she had won from the gameshow. So that’s 7 Heartnumbers she basically can claim and she only needed 1 more Heartnumber to open the Heartbox!
Also if you remember, she also started out with a Heart GPS as well, but she ended up “selling” that to gain an advantage on one of the questions during the gameshow. I designed the gameshow so she could do stuff like that. A minor detail, but if you’re keeping count all this time then it would probably drive you crazy not knowing what happened to that specific card.
But there was a slight oversight… now the game is going a little too fast because I was too generous with the number of Heart Reveal cards that she was able to win. Plus she did exceptionally well in the gameshow. Except the proposal can’t happen just yet, because it needed to happen under a very specific set of conditions… again, I needed both her and my family to be present on the day of the proposal so I had to arrange a specific date in October when 10 working adults can be present at a specific location in Flagstaff and 4 of them (my family) live in California! The best we could do was set up the proposal date in the middle of October which was still two weeks away. So 1 more quest was just not going to cut it. I needed 2 more quests.
The problem of course, was that she already had one too many Heart Reveal cards (4). So I made a deal with her to “buy” one of them for cash lol, leaving her access to only 6 out of 8 Heartnumbers, and thus opening the door to 2 more quests. Since we had two weeks left before the proposal date, that means I still needed to stretch out the 4th and 5th quests so the game could end right on time for that target proposal date.
Quest 4
[BRIEF]
Brief: This quest is the longest out of all the others that came before it. It included board games, invisible messages, blacklights, dragons, costumes, and balloon fights involving many of her friends, which will all be explained in the Detailed version. This was probably my favorite quest of all.
It begins with the next clue being delivered to Brit deliberately broken in three pieces. She gets one of the three, while the other two were given to her friends Annie, and Rochelle. She has to retrieve the other two pieces from them through mini games to read the full clue. After she got all the pieces together, she was able to read the full message that basically hints that the next clue was “starring at her all this time."
This lead her to check all the mirrors in her house. There had to have been an invisible message scribbled in one of them. She had also recently received a blacklight flashlight, (which the Heartsfinity Company had thoughtfully delivered to her house prior to this part of the game) which she correctly reasoned she’d probably use to uncover hidden messages in invisible ink. Upon shining the blacklight on one of her mirrors, she then discovered that a GPS coordinate had been scribbled on it.
We took a walk around her neighborhood to where the GPS took us. She found a tree at that spot and shined the blacklight on it, confirming by the symbols that I had written there with invisible ink, that there was something buried near that tree. She finally found the exact spot, and dug up her 4th Heartnumber.
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Detailed: The detailed version explains the lore on why the clue was broken up into three pieces and why Brit only got one of the three pieces at first. Customer Service apologetically explains that during the delivery of this clue, the fairy courier was attacked by a dragon mid-air and this attack tore the clue apart. Yes, I know this is getting more and more silly as we continue deeper down the rabbit hole, but finding ways to stretch out these quests was my priority at the time. I had to make sure the game ends exactly on the predestined proposal date or else the whole thing would fall apart. But back to the lore…
The clue pieces fell back to the ground and it landed at three different places. The other two pieces that she didn’t receive landed at the House of Lady Fraley (her friend Annie), where she would need to beat the Lady and the Lord on a game of her choosing before she could claim the clue piece. Easy enough. Basically, a night of hanging out and pizza with the Fraleys over a 2v2 game of Nertz. If you’re curious, I was mostly useless at this point because I’m just terrible at this game. Didn’t matter because she won at the end and got the clue piece anyway.
The last piece was being kept by Rochelle, another friend of hers who I assigned the part of the Dragon Witch in this lore. This was the fun part. Rochelle controls a dragon (aka her husband Robby) whose task was to protect the clue piece by lobbing fireballs (actually water balloons) to anyone trying to steal it. So the mission now is to retrieve this last clue piece from the clutches of the witch and her dragon. But how?
Of course Heartsfinity Care Team has the answer for that. They reached out to Brit via email detailing her the plan. She is to be at a specific location on a specific time to retrieve “The Beast,” a creature on her side, fast enough to dodge fireballs that the Company will be loaning to her. Riding this Beast was the only way to brave the dragon’s fireballs and retrieve the last piece of the clue. Also there’s a catch…
Both the Beast and the dragon are blind and have to rely solely on verbal commands from their riders. The dragon needed to lob his fireballs at the Beast using only the verbal commands from the Witch, while the Beast (controlled by Brit) had to get through an obstacle course while dodging the fireballs to retrieve the last clue piece. Also, no one would actually be “riding” anyone, but for the purpose of the lore you can think that’s what’s happening.
But wait, so who’s playing this Beast?
Me.
I actually rented out a yeti costume and showed up at the designated location to meet her in full cosplay. I was her Beast that she was going to use to blitz through the dragon’s fireballs and retrieve that last clue piece! So after a hail of water balloons and dizzy from all the running and dodging, Brit lead me to do the final clue piece and I clutched it victorious.
Then I took off my costume and Robby and I ripped off our blind folds and the day ended with everyone involved using up the remainder fireballs for a giant water balloon fight! We were then ready to move on to actually piecing all three clue pieces together and figuring out what it’s saying.
The instructions were simple. It described the next clue as having been “starring at your face the whole time.” Was it talking about mirrors? Now before this point, I had also timed the delivery of a blacklight flashlight to her house, giving the credit to the Heartsfinity Company so she knew she was inevitably going to have to use it. She figured out that whatever the next clue was, it was invisible. She came back home and checked all the mirrors in her house. She had a lot of mirrors to check. Luckily for her, I marked “nope” and “nice try” on a lot of the incorrect ones and this finally lead her to the last mirror, which was in the upstairs guest master. She got up there and shined her blacklight on it, finally revealing a scribbled GPS coordinate.
This took us out for a nice walk following a path by a creek right by her house. It was just after sunset and things were getting dark. I told her, this is perfect because she could use her blacklight to look for any clues when we get to the coordinates. The waypoint took us directly in front of a big old tree. She shined her blacklight and saw the markings I made and that lead her to begin digging under some rocks below the tree. She finally found it, the 4th Heartnumber.
Quest 5
[BRIEF]
Brief: This was also a multi-part drawn out quest. This started out with her discovering that I had placed the first clue (a bit of lavender oil) in a screw top necklace that I recently gifted her dog, leading her to examine her oil collection. She then discovered an empty bottle which I planted with another note, which pointed her to go to Target. Shining a blacklight to one of the products there, she found a note, instructing her to call her friend, Stacy. Stacy then read a poem, which got her to examine the Antonym book which she made from Elementary School. Using the blacklight again, she saw that I had left an invisible note in there which listed a set of locations. She simply needs to choose a location where the 5th Heartnumber will be revealed.
She ends up choosing the Alcantara Winery in Cottonwood option. We went there, had some wine and walked to a secluded area. I busted out my guitar, and played her a song that I had written for her. The ending lyrics revealed the 5th Heartnumber. With the 5th Heartnumber and 3 of her Heart Reveal cards, she finally has everything she needed to open the Heartbox and end the game! Or does she?
After giving her all 8 Heartnumbers, she tries them out on the keypad and finds out she still can’t open the Heartbox. I then inform her that she might have gotten the numbers, but unfortunately they’re not in order. She needs to wait for one final clue to get the right sequence to finally open the Heartbox.
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Detailed: First the setup…
It started out with me innocently giving a necklace gift to our dog, Sota. This was my way of including a pet so special to us, in this game. This necklace is a chainlink metal container that you can unscrew to put something in. I had secretly put several drops of lavender oil in there, the purpose of which will become clear soon.
The next step was to sneak an empty essential oil vial in her oil collection (essential oils are a big part of our relationship) with the next hint written on a piece of paper furled up inside that bottle. It basically told her to go to Target, and check out the Hearth and Hand section with her blacklight. As you might of guess, this brand also holds a lot of significance to us.
So at Target, and perhaps one of the most bizarre things we had to do on any of these quests, we’re suppose to scan the section of Hearth and Hand products with her black flashlight. I had invisibly marked a candle with a Heartsfinity symbol so she could find which product held the next clue. At the bottom of this candle, I taped a note to “call Stacy”.
Finally before all this, I had already informed Stacy that she will eventually be getting a call from Brit and she must recite a specific poem to her to give her the next clue.
Now to set things in motion…
Heartsfinity Customer Service emails her a riddle:
“Hi Brittany,
We’re letting you know that your 5th Heart Clue has already been sent and delivered to you, and it is perfectly intact and in one piece this time! You should have received an automated delivery text as well. But pay attention because this Heart Clue happens to be a little shy. It is currently hiding and wants to be invisible. But do not fear! This time, we’re going to kick off your 5th Quest by giving you a little treat in the form of a poem, contributed by your wonderful boyfriend. We heard you like them ;) Pay attention because it will also help you find your next Heartsclue!
On her heart and in her bone,
my love for her is clearly shown.
She carries with her such special things,
small and precious such joy it brings.
Like a ghostly flower its essence trapped,
release it from its metallic wrap.
No, it can’t be seen, heard, nor even felt,
but if you use your nose it can still be smelled.”
The riddle was talking about the necklace (in the shape of a bone) that I had given Sota and it pointed her there as a place to start. Upon opening it, she smelled the lavender oil and that directed her to check on her oil collection, where she discovered the empty vial that I had hidden there. She opened it, and found the message inside the bottle. She knew that her next move is to go to the Hearth and Hand section at Target with her trusty black flashlight. She was blazing through this!
So the next part is us, literally going around Target shining a blacklight on their products like a couple of pest controllers. I realize that this must have looked really interesting to the security cameras! When she finally found the marked item, she discovered the taped note underneath it, “Call Stacy.” Then she did, and Stacy happily recited the hint:
“Pay attention to these pairings. If you can tell me what they all have in common then you are one step closer to your 5th HeartsClue.
Black and white
Lose and tight
Ant and whale
Pass and fail”
The answer: antonyms
Took her some time to get this but after some hints, she finally got what it meant. She examined her old Antonym book, an old memento from her Elementary years which she treasures. She discovers the blank note that I had stuck inside and pulling out her black flashlight once more, she fires the beam at it. It’s a list of 4 locations:
Prescott
Sunset Point
Alcantara Winery in Cottonwood
Tempe Beach Lake
Stacy had also instructed her earlier that for this part of the quest, she simply needed to choose a location in which the 5th Heartnumber will be revealed to her. So she chooses the Alcantara Winery option.
We made plans to go to the winery and unbeknownst to her, that’ll also be the day of the proposal. I made sure that the date we choose for this trip is the same date that I had arranged for both our families to be present for the actual proposal. But I also had several more tricks up my sleeve before we get to that point.
I had secretly been learning the guitar and been working on writing her a song all this time. I can tell you that this was probably one of the hardest part about this whole thing. I have a guitar, which she knows I can’t really play. But she’s told me that one of her dreams was to have someone write her a song. So I knew I had my work cut out for me. Took me several months, but I was able to get myself at a point where I can play a few chords while keeping a steady rhythm while singing at the same time.
I knew I was going to sound terrible either way so I needed some wine before I performed this song for her. So at the winery we had a wine tasting first, and when I thought I was drunk enough, we walked out and began exploring the grounds. I then took her to a little chapel area out in the vineyards where I told her to wait for me because I’m coming back for a surprise. I returned with the guitar, which I secretly brought with us and kept in my trunk.
With cold fingers and a nervous voice, I unveiled her song and revealed the 5th Heartnumber as part of the ending lyrics. As bad as I was, she still loved it. She finally got the 5th Heartnumber and with 3 of her Heart Reveal cards, I exchanged her the remaining 3 Heartnumbers to complete the combination for the Heartbox safe.
She punches in the numbers in the keypad… and nothing. She tries again. Nothing. She’s completely puzzled. At that point I tell her that you may have gotten the numbers, but they’re not in the right order. Surprise! Seeing the look of utter disappointment in her face, I thought she was going to kill me. After all this running around playing this giant scavenger hunt for almost two months, and I pull a fast one! I felt so bad for her and started questioning my decisions at that point. I think went too far…
But there is absolutely no way she was going to be opening that box right here right now. I had already picked out a place in Flagstaff, on top of the mountains, with our families eagerly setting up the site for the final stretch… there could only be one way this ends. I promised her to not fret, because she will get the answer by the end of the day, but now we have to get out of here.
The Proposal
I apologize in advance because I just don’t know how to make a brief version of this final part. Here it is in full…
The context…
This last part of the story starts the day before we go to the Alcantara Winery in Cottonwood. I knew that the day that we go to that place is the day of the proposal, only the actual proposal wasn’t going to be in Cottonwood at all. It was going to be at Aspen Corner, a place I picked out on top of Snowbowl Mountain at Flagstaff where a grove of aspens were changing colors this time of year. It had to be there.
So before we went to Cottonwood, I had to make sure everything was set up and ready to go for the big day. The specific site where I was going to go down on one knee had to be ready. It needed to have a trail of flowers, it needed to have a stump where a box had to be propped up, I needed to have a team of photographers hiding in the bushes, I needed new clothes for the pictures, etc etc. I hammered out all the details with a bunch of people on the day before, while carving out time to practice and polish up the song, and at the same time negotiating with some last minute photographers to do the job!
I admit I dropped the ball on the photographer part of this. I didn’t book a photographer fast enough and on the weeks leading up to the proposal, everyone I talked to was already booked or just couldn’t do it. I ending up convincing my friend Ray (who has never held a DSLR before) and two of his friends to just do it and hope for the best.
Also, her sisters were going to buy the flowers and head over to Flagstaff (2 hours away from us) the night before, and spend the day setting up the site, with all the props and decor ready to go by the time we get there mid-afternoon. I had to make sure that they get to the exact spot I picked out and the setting had to be done exactly the way I envisioned it. On top of that, I was also coordinating with my family who was coming all the way from California so that they knew where to go and how to reach her family so that everyone would be there when I give the signal. If I could only use one moment of being a micro manager in my life, then I choose this moment as my definitive example.
Lastly, I somehow had to give a reason to Brit for why we needed to go to Flagstaff from Cottonwood, drive on top of a mountain, while wearing fancy clothes. I didn’t know how to do this smoothly, so I made up a story about how I’m part of this wedding party and my friend, the groom, was doing pre-ceremony pictures at a specific spot in this mountain and he’s inviting us to get some free shots with everyone so might as well take advantage of it. I don’t know. Whatever. This is going to happen either way dammit!
The day of…
The big day came and I’ve already described the first part of us going to the Alcantara Winery and me playing the song from the last quest. I’ll pickup where I left from…
So after the disappointment of not being able to open that safe in the winery, we began the drive to Flagstaff. Even at this point, I was doing some last minute coordination with the other people involved in this whole thing (families, photographers) while driving; and all the while still trying to keep it hush hush with Brit in the passenger seat. It’s multitasking like I’ve never experienced it. Phew!
When we finally neared that spot on top of that mountain, I had everyone scram. Nobody could be seen by her or the jig was up. So I had to time everything, with only the photographers present to take the candid shots. She didn’t know what my photographer friends looked like so they could loiter near the site pretending to be shooting birds or whatever and no one is the wiser. The funny part is that as soon as we get to the location, I parked the car and found that pretty much everyone in Arizona was at that little corner of the woods today. Every family with a kid were having their Fall pictures taken so it was a little less intimate of a spot than I hoped.
My photographer friends did the heavy lifting though. I found out later that they’ve been shooing away as many people as they can from the site, leaving us a small bubble in which I can finally propose. As we walked through the forest, I finally saw it. The trail of flower petals, leading up to a stump with a box on top, with a flower arrangement decorating the base. This was exactly how I instructed her sisters to do it. They did a beautiful job.
Brit saw it immediately and the look on her face changed as she knew that this was it. I told her, “Well would you look at that… something tells me this got your name written on it. Why don’t you see what’s in that box?” She approached the stump and opened the box on top of it.
Just to be clear, that box on top of the tree stump is NOT the same as THE Heartbox, which I’ve been carrying all this time with us. It was a little hexagonal box which contained a simple strip of colors. When she opened it, she immediately realized what it was. The colors were arranged in a specific order, and it gave her the order of the Hearttnumbers so that she could finally open the Heartbox. The final clue. She took out all 8 of the Heartnumbers that I had given her and she noticed that each number was written in a specific color all this time. She matched it up with the strip of colors from the box and she finally got the correct order. She opens the Heartbox.
Inside, she finds a bunch of shredded up Christmas wrapping paper, housing a leather bound journal of all things and an envelope with a card inside. I had used the shredded paper to prevent the journal from being tossed around and hitting the walls of the box, kind of like packaging foam. I didn’t want her to hear and speculate what was inside that thing for the entire time she had it. And no, there wasn’t any ring box inside, just the journal. I told her to open the card first and read what’s inside and it will explain everything.
It was a Christmas card. Yes, a Christmas card but let me explain! Brit and I have another tradition where after we’ve exchanged our normal Christmas gifts every year, we kind of extend out the Holiday season by giving each other “12 After Christmas gifts” after Christmas is already over. I started it and I thought it’s just a cute and quirky thing to keep doing. Anyway that year, I purposely only gave her 11 After Christmas gifts. I had planned to hold off on the 12th, because I always knew that the 12th would be The Proposal.
I knew she’d been wondering what happened to that 12th gift all year long, and this was my way of finally closing that loop. The card explained that the journal was her 12th After Christmas gift and to open it and see what is written. She flipped the cover of the journal and saw that the only thing written on it was, “Our Life” on the cover page, and the rest of the pages were empty. She looked at me confused. This was when I took over the reigns and I even had a whole speech prepared…
I’m not going to recite the whole speech here, partially because I don’t fully remember it as it was more or less off the cuff. To summarize, I basically said that the pages are empty because it hasn’t been written yet... and that I can’t possibly write it alone because I needed her to help me do so. I told her that in the beginning of this game, I promised her that the Heartbox contained something very precious. I didn’t lie. But to me, there’s nothing that could possibly be more precious than a life with her. Not some fancy piece of rock, but a future that we can build together, a life that we can write together in whatever way we want. That, to me, is the only treasure worth keeping in a safe.
At this point, we both started tearing up but I said, no I’m not about to cry because I still have some ways to go. Now I know that I’ve taken you through some very crazy things… we went on this wild journey together with all these scavenger hunts, games, riddles, and trolls… and I know that you’ve been humoring me the whole time and I want to thank you for being so patient with me… but I’m going to have to ask you to go on one more quest with me if that’s ok with you. And perhaps it’s probably the most important quest of all… I want you to start a life with me as my wife… and I know that it’s not always going to be easy, and we’re going to have to work hard to build this life together… but I can’t imagine going on that journey with anybody else but you… I guess what I’m trying to say is, will you marry me?
Then I took out the ring box from my pocket (been there the whole time), went down on one knee, and held it out to her opened.
Yes!
So it was finally over. Everything was a blur after that. We kissed and I yelled out to the photographers to come out! Turns out she knew who the photographers were the whole time and I couldn’t blame her. They were pretty obvious as they kept stealing glances and shots at us through the whole thing, but we laughed at it and just had a good time. As a final surprise, I texted our families and gave the signal to come over. Now this was a surprise that she did not know was coming. And she said later that her family being there, enjoying the moment with us, was her most favorite part of all.
She didn’t waste any time starting the wedding planning after that. She began talking about her wedding ideas that very same evening. I told her that I honestly feel like I’ve planned for 8 separate proposals, so she can be in charge of the wedding planning and plan away to her heart’s content. I’m gonna take a break. I probably slept better after that day than I had for months.
Well we've reached the end folks. Whether you were delighted or disgusted by my idea, I hope it entertained you at the very least. Good luck with yours!
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2020.01.10 15:19 ScottRevere Santa Anita Friday January 10th Analysis

Welcome to Santa Anita! We had an outstanding beginning to kick off the meet last Friday, as our top selections went 3 of 9 including a $52.00 winner in the last race! Our longshot of the day in race 8 ran 2nd at odds of 20-1, setting up for some excellent exacta and DD payouts! While the top pick got home in 3 of 9 races, playing all of the A horses would have given you 8 of 9 winners, with the sole loser being the race where I tried to single and my only B horse ended up winning.
The bar has been set pretty high, so let’s keep the good times rolling this weekend!
2020 Winter Santa Anita Statistics Last Week: 33% (3/9 win, 8/9 ITM), $6.82 ROI per $2 win bet ($18 wagered, $61.40 returned) Santa Anita Winter 2020: 33% (3/9 win, 8/9 ITM), $6.82 ROI per $2 win bet ($18 wagered, $61.40 returned)
Race 1: [F]Mdn 55k 5½ Furlongs (T)
Picks: 1,2 / 5
Despite conventional wisdom and historical trends, the 5.5-furlong turf sprints at Santa Anita have not played very kindly to speed lately, quite a change from the downhill 6.5-furlong races we used to see. None of the 8 turf sprints this meet have been won wire-to-wire, and the winner was on average 2.5-3 lengths off the pace at the first call. That does not bode well for early favorite #7 Raneem. This Baffert trained filly is still a maiden after 6 starts, and it truly feels like the barn isn’t sure what to do with her at this point. They’ve tried dirt, then turf, and now back to turf; she debuted with blinkers, the hood came off after 2 races, and now she adds blinkers once again. There is a spotty race record with layoffs in between, and she wheels back on less than 10 days of rest, a move almost unheard of for the Baffert barn. There are enough question marks against her that I will be fading this favorite on a day where fields are short and prices might be hard to find. #1 Malibu Cat is my top selection. She ran a speed figure in her debut as a 2-year-old that would already make her competitive in this race, and she now makes her first start as a four-year-old off of an 11-month layoff. She appears to be working lights-out in the mornings, and Glatt is an average 13% with horses off 90+ day layoffs. Turf ace Prat climbs aboard, and I’m hopeful he will elect to rate her rather than send hard from the rail. With the right trip she is the one to beat. #2 Dance Costume is the lone debut runner in the field today. Mixed signals on the pedigree, as Union Rags offspring typically fare poorly on grass (3% first time turf winners) but the dam was a stakes winner sprinting on turf and has already produced 3 turf winners from 4 starters. Yakteen has strong numbers with debut turf runners, getting 29% winners over the past 3 years with a strong $5.47 ROI. Rosario sees fit to take the mount, which is always encouraging. #5 Lavender is the wildcard of the field. This lightly raced filly has run second in both of her starts to date in Ireland, and that was against fields of 14 and 15 horses, so she certainly won’t be intimidated by today’s group of 7. The major questions are that she hasn’t been seen for 15 months, and Matthew Chew has a terrible 0/40 record with horses coming off of 90+ day layoffs. If she’s fit she could surprise, but I’m inclined to watch one first.

Race 2: [F]Clm 16000n3L 6½ Furlongs
Picks: 2 / 4,1
#2 Busy Paynter appears to be the one to beat in the second race of the day. She dueled between horses last out against much better at Del Mar to finish a respectable fourth, beaten less than 2 lengths when in for open claiming company at $32,000. She gets a drop into nonwinners of 3 lifetime company and projects to be the one to catch on the front end. The #6 Winsinfashion is the other logical speed, but I believe Busy Paynter is quicker and classier and should be able to draw off late. #4 Leading Indicator is one of a few horses who will likely try to sit a stalking trip a length or two off the pace and make a move into the turn. Dean Pederson is a smaller barn, but he spots his horses well given his 24% strike rate throughout 2019. Toss the turf try where she didn’t care for the surface, and this looks like a 4-year-old who is peaking and heading the right direction in her form cycle while stepping up a bit in class. #1 Cimarron has been quite a hot commodity lately, having been through a number of decent barns across the country throughout 2019. She appeared to be inching forward late in 2019 but has since disappeared ever since the October race. She has a knack for breaking slowly, as she’s been “off slow” or “bobbled start” in her last 4 races, and missing the break is often even more detrimental for sprinters as she cuts back to 6.5 furlongs. She isn’t one I feel strongly about, but I struggle to find anyone I like beyond the top two picks in this spot.

Race 3: [F}OC 40000n1x 1 Mile
Picks: 1,4 / 2
Race 3 brings us a small but interesting field of older fillies and mares going a mile on the main track. This race is a unique handicapping puzzle as 4 of the 5 runners are listed as early/presser types, with the last runner an early speed need-the-lead sort. This race could very well set up with a nuclear pace up front, or if all the jockeys elect to rate we could see one horse steal it on the lead. That said, #1 Persepolis is the top selection. This lightly raced mare is 5-years-old but only raced 5 times, giving her every right to improve today. Expectations were clearly high for this one, as she sold for over $500k with a gorgeous turf pedigree and was sent to the Chad Brown barn. Pedigree aside, she appears to be better over the dirt, as she owns a win and two places in her 3 starts on the main track. She has early speed, but she also does not need the lead which gives Prat options in the irons. Her speed figures stack up favorably against most of this field, and her last try at a route was deceptively strong, as the winner freaked that day but Persepolis was still over 4 lengths clear of the show horse when sent off at odds of 4/5. The lukewarm top choice in a surprisingly tricky field. #4 Amatara is an interesting player here and a major threat in an open race. While her form may appear inconsistent at first, you’ll notice both of her poorer efforts lately came at Los Alamitos, a unique bull ring track with tight turns that some horses struggle to handle. She was also 3-wide for the majority of the race in her last effort on a day when Los Al received an unusual amount of rain during the day, forcing them to seal the track midway through the card. If you forgive that effort, her lone start at Santa Anita produced a monstrous race when she destroyed an overmatched maiden field when routing for the first time. A return to form of her maiden score likely puts her in the winner’s circle again today. #2 Velvet Queen is the slight morning line favorite in this field, and she is one that I will likely use somewhere but ideally want to beat. She got away with a slow pace last out when trying dirt for the first time, and she managed to hold on late to win in a starter allowance field. She now has to tackle two turns on the dirt for the first time, and there’s enough other speed in here to keep her honest. However, we truly haven’t seen just how good she might be over the main track, and she has enough early speed to burn early if the rider chooses. A defensive use.
Race 4: MC 50000 6½ Furlongs
Picks: 5,2 / 8 / 1,4
In what appears to be a continuation of short priced winners, I’m forced to take #5 Benny Chang on top in race 4. Peter Miller and Joel Rosario are perennially overbet on the west coast, but when they are winning at 38% together it makes them an awful dangerous combination to fade, regardless of the price. This son of Cross Traffic was a little wide when contesting an honest pace last out, and of the 3 horses fighting for the lead he was by far the best of the speeds, as the other leaders tired to finish 5th and 6th, including the 6/5 favorite. He has to negotiate an extra furlong today, but there doesn’t appear to be any other speeds entered today who can keep up with him on the front end. #2 Palace Prince is an interesting contender. This colt showed promise early, running third to Wrecking Crew and Tizamagician, both of whom are Derby hopefuls. Things haven’t gone quite as planned on the stretch out though, as he regressed significantly in his next 2 efforts when trying two turns. I think the cutback to sprinting distances, coupled with the barn switch, class drop, and first start as a gelding, can make this horse a contender in a bit of a weak field. No published works since December 20th is concerning, but Glatt has good numbers off of medium layoffs and I trust this one still has enough ability to get the job done. #8 Big Hoof Dynamite catches my attention purely due to the fact that top west coast jockey Prat climbs aboard for a relatively unknown trainer in Jay Nehf. I always take notice when top jockeys get up for small barns, and I have to think this horse is live for Prat to take the mount. There doesn’t appear to be any world-beaters in this spot, so this one doesn’t seem completely overmatched on speed figures if the trip fits.

Race 5: [F][S] MC 50000 6 Furlongs
Picks: 6,5 / / 3,7
Race 5 is a tough race, as I don’t like the early favorite but none of the first-time starters are very impressive either. While I'm not throwing the favorite out complete, I am going to use a different horse on top. Before getting into the rest of the field, let’s look at the early favorite, #5 Rickie Nine Toe’s. He ran a surprisingly strong race in debut going 5.5 furlongs at the generous price of 17-1, then looked every bit a winner in his next race when bet down to 4/5 favoritism only to get caught late by a 54-1 first time starter and ultimately fade to third. Note that race was at 6 furlongs and at maiden 30k vs the maiden 50k he faces today. Periban has poor stats with 1st off the claim (1/27) as well as first time blinkers (0/11). Factor in Bejarano’s cold start to the meet (0/20) and possible stamina issues, and this is a favorite who will be a short price and very vulnerable. My top selection is the #6 Nikkileaks. Nikkileaks got a solid education in her debut, taking dirt and passing a few horses to get up for a nonthreatening third late. She flashed speed in her next race, contesting the pace before tiring late. I’m not sure there is a ton of quality in this field, and the addition of blinkers and jockey change to Maldonado signal to me that Glatt wants this horse to show more speed and will have her winging it early. Glatt is 20% with first time blinkers and does well with horses on moderate layoffs, so I think this one could get loose early and prove tough to run down. If Nikkileaks and Rickie Nine Toe’s go toe-to-toe on the lead, I’m interested in #3 H and R’s Girl to come running late. This one doesn’t seem to have much early speed in the AM, but she’s by precocious California sire Smiling Tiger (15% winners first out), out of Sassy Synner, who has already produced 10 winners from 12 starters, including 3 stakes winners. Don’t sleep on Rispoli Umberto, as this Italian invader has already proven he has talent when scoring a mild upset with a brilliant ride on Hootie in the nightcap last Sunday. #7 Smart Girl is the other half of the Krujac pair, and note that Efrain rides for Krujac occasionally and he lands here vs on H and R’s Girl. It sounds as if this one has been slightly outworking H and R’s Girl in the mornings, so she could be another with a shot in a race with bad favorites.

Race 6: [F]Clm 32000 5½ Furlongs (T)
Picks: 4 / 2,5 / 6
#4 Drift Away is the top selection in this turf sprint. We have already covered the developing track trends for turf sprints favoring late runners, so I’m looking for a horse with strong closing ability. There appears to be enough speed in here to keep the pace honest, and I think Drift Away is far and away the best closer in this field. She has won at this distance and over this surface before, and Andrew Lerner is a gaudy 44% when sending out horses second off the layoff. Toss the last race as it was on the wrong surface, and this mare has been competitive at and above the level she finds herself at today. #5 Bako Sweets is the second pick. While this 7-year-old mare has done her best work over the synthetic surface up north, she hasn’t embarrassed herself by any stretch while racing over the lawn. She was a decent fourth two-back when making her first start for Blake Heap off the heels of a 10-month layoff, and her last race was on dirt where she has never been at her best. Despite speed not holding particularly well so far, this one has better than average turn-time and should threaten early if she can improve at all from that October 18th effort. #2 Swirling is one who may get overlooked due to the barn change to low percentage trainer Perez, but don’t be too quick to throw her out. She is another who could sit a good stalking trip behind likely pacesetter Classy Atlantic, and her first race for the Perez barn was every bit as strong as her races for Sadler. Once again, ignore the clunker on the wrong surface in a race where she was in over her head and she could surprise at a generous price.

Race 7: OC 62500n2x 6½ Furlongs
Picks: 1 / 4,5
Race 7 leads me to a top pick that I would normally fade in most situations, #1 McKale. I am a firm believer in fading the non-superstar Baffert horses; those that don’t break their maiden in the first two tries, and generally whatever he sends out on the turf that didn’t debut on grass. This horse struggled mightily at n1x company for an extended period before being overmatched against graded stakes type Flagstaff and then flopping at the 3/2 favorite in September. However, the main reason I’m using him prominently here is the fact that he appears to be textbook lone speed. There is nobody in this field who can go with him early, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he was able to open up a multiple length lead by the first call. He hasn’t turned into the superstar we’ve come to expect from Baffert, but you still cannot afford to ignore a lone speed horse with a rail draw getting the best connections on the west coast, as Drayden and Baffert are clipping along at 54% together from 28 mounts. I’m hoping the layoff gave him a much-needed rest and he will come out sharp today. #4 Manhattan Up comes in with more back class than most of this field, as he spent most of his three-year-old season running against the likes of Mucho Gusto, Roadster (the good version), Extra Hope, Nolo Contesto, and other highly regarded colts. He ran decently in his two turf tries, but I think dirt is definitely his best game. If McKale is unable to take them all the way, Manhattan Up is the one I like most to run them down. #5 Royal Trump is another who makes sense in this spot, and his last race was super impressive when tracking a slow pace to explode late for the upset at 34-1. However, that effort represents a career best for him, and it’s fair to question if he is likely to repeat such a performance while moving up in class. Glatt clearly has this one sharp right now, but if you missed the coming out party at 34-1 against weaker it’s a little tough to love him here at 2-1.

Race 8: [F][S]Mdn 55k 5½ Furlongs (T)
Picks: 2,7,10 // 3,6,8
The final race of the day is a bit of an oddly carded affair, as we get a field of only 8 with 5 also-eligibles waiting to draw in. #2 Bella Vita appears to be the most interesting of all the first-time-starters. This miss turned heads at the Ocala Breeder’s Sale in April when Kaleem Shah purchased her for $400k. Freshman sire Bayern is turning out to be quite a prolific turf influence, as he is getting 16% first time turf winners in his first crop. There is plenty of turf pedigree on bottom as well, as the dam was a black type stakes winner on turf and synthetic and is by strong turf influence Storm Cat. Watch the tote to check for action in this race, but I wouldn’t be surprised if her 7/2 morning line is more like 9/5 at post. Stop me if you’ve heard this before, but Reddam Racing Square Eddie homebreds sprinting on turf with Doug O’Neill and Mario Guitierrez are almost always dangerous. #7 Kissable U’s best effort came when sprinting on the turf against open company, and she now drops back into state-bred restricted company at her preferred distance and back on the grass. She is a major player in a wide-open race. Longshot of the day #10 Too Much Smoke is the AE who seems the biggest threat. While 5-1 may not scream longshot, I don’t believe we are going to see many double-digit odds winners today, so settling on a 5-1 horse as the 4th choice in an 8-horse field is as close as I can get. We already covered how dangerous Miller is at Santa Anita, and you can toss the debut effort where she missed the break and never picked up her feet on the dirt. She has a number of classy half-siblings, including graded stakes turf winner Marckie’s Water and promising allowance winner Opus Won. She will need to find a way to save a bit of ground, but I would expect a much better performance from her today than what we saw in the debut. I absolutely love Clubhouse Ride offspring debuting on turf, as this son of Candy Ride is producing first time turf winners at over 20% so far, so #3 Warren’s Empress is worth a look. While the connections haven’t had the strongest numbers at this meet or with debut runners, I’m willing to be forgiving when I’m getting 10-1 or better with excellent turf pedigree. Note that Velez’s lone win at Santa Anita so far this meet (via DQ) came aboard a Craig Lewis trainer horse, at incredible odds of 46-1. Worth a flier at a price
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2019.12.23 05:46 Lukemage Growing up with an Insane, Entitled mother - Extended - Part 1

I've been encouraged by several people to elaborate on how it was growing up with my mother, so here goes..... All names are changed for privacy reasons.
Disclaimer: This is a story about someone with belatedly diagnosed mental health issues, multiple unaddressed/ignored physical health issues, and a very confusing moral/ethical compass.
Okay, now some background. My mom is the 3rd eldest of 10 children, 6 girls and 4 boys. 8 of her siblings, 4 boys and 4 girls, lived to adulthood. My grandmother had premature(~29 weeks) twins in 1955 and they didn't survive. My mom married her high school sweetheart(ExHusband) shortly after high school, and had three children with him, 2 girls and a boy, Becky, Lisa and Brother. Around 5 years into their marriage, they moved to California, and her husband began commuting for work. This put a strain on their relationship, and they divorced about a year and a half later. My mom then began going to school, and bumped into(literally, she nearly ran him over) my dad. My dad had been out of the Air Force for under a year at that point, and was going to school for electrical engineering, meanwhile my mom was studying civil engineering. About a year later they were dating, and just before Brother's 5th birthday they married. I came along about 2 years later, followed by my two younger sisters, Donna and Rebecca. The story here however begins during my mom's first relationship, and is limited to bullet points of the specific facts:
Queue Divorce #1, which lasted approximately 2 years. ExHusband returned to the house to find the locks changed and a note on the door informing him he was being evicted. He then had several packages arrive at work a few days later, and had to explain to his boss why multiple Large packages were shipped directly to him. From this point on, my mom only communicated with him via lawyer, and wouldn't even take his calls. The divorce ended with Becky staying with my mom, and ExHusband getting custody of Lisa and Brother, and eventually moving to Texas to get away from her. By the end of Divorce #1 my mom is dating my dad.
Its here I feel I should mention my mom's religion. She grew up Catholic, but only loosely so. My grandfather wasn't catholic until after my mom was an adult, and my mom allowed her religious views to be shaped by various priests over the years, especially when she started having kids. Becky went along with it somewhat, Lisa very much enjoyed/loved religion, and Brother kinda just went but didn't really care. When I came along, my dad pushed for her to let ME decided, and the same with Donna and Rebecca.
My mom became an absolute nightmare when it came to religion, doubly so when my dad was around. She didn't push for prayer at dinner, daily prayers, or church every week, because my father stopped her. But what she DID push for was church camps, a certain vegetable themed children's show, and only allowing me certain books when I started to learn to read(Still love the Chronicles of Narnia, but I digress). She however did have one major hard limit: evolution. She felt it was a violation of her parental rights for a concept Counter to religion to be taught to her children, without her approval. The argument with my First grade teacher pretty much got her kicked out of the school, and very nearly banned. My mom doesn't have much of a filter in arguments, and will say pretty much anything.
Okay, Disclaimer #2: Beyond this point, everything is a blur for the next year. By Christmas of 7th grade I was taking at least 50mg/50mg morning/night, and started to have difficulty keeping track of time. Those numbers are based off the schedule, but I do have some memories of taking the pills from that time period.
  1. My mom's custody of us was terminated effectively immediately.
  2. My dad was to cease all child support and alimony payments to my mom.
  3. He dismissed the entire case, and ruled every claim in favor of my father.
This is continued with [Part 2](https://www.reddit.com/useLukemage/comments/eefra7/growing_up_with_an_insane_entitled_mothe?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x).
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2019.10.04 16:44 aspen222 Saturday's Action from Belmont, Keeneland and Santa Anita


Saturday October 5, 2019
Belmont Park
Race: 9 (4:50 PM EST Post)
Joe Hirsch Turf Invitational
The late, heroic running Sadler’s Joy signaled a return to top for when flying late to just miss capturing the Grade: 1 Sword Dancer in his last. Third start off the layoff and should get a good strong pace to run into here…..should nail the speed in deep stretch……………Arklow continues to burn money as he hasn’t won a race in over a year but has been favored or has had low odds in his last six starts in a row. Another who should be rallying late but has a habit of coming up short…………………….Yo Primo’s last race was too bad to be true. Irad sticks and could bounce back with a big race here……………….Honorable Mentions: Channel Cat is in good form right now but is 0 for 4 on the Belmont Turf…………………Ditto for Channel Maker as he too is in good form, That said, he has lost ground from the eighth pole to the wire in each of his last three races………………When Zulu Alpha is right, he could easily hit the board (or better) vs. these.
Race: 10 (5:22 PM EST post)
Champagne Stakes
You can make an argument that Green Light Go, who has been very impressive winning both career starts thus far in his career, is the pro-tem two year old East Coast male division leader (Basin). I loved the way he came from behind both times, won by daylight and stopped the clock in “racehorse” time. ….takes his next steps toward the BC Juvenile here…………….Gozilla buried maidens in his initial try then showed speed and tired in the Grade: 1 Hopeful in his second and last time out. I’m not sure if the sloppy track had something to do with the defeat or he was facing Basin in that race or perhaps both. Find out more about him on Saturday…………………….Alpha Sixty Six came from behind to beat maidens in his debut. This $400,000 son of Liams’ Map was visually impressive coming with a four wide, sweeping move towards the lead at the quarter and got up by a neck. The icing on that cake was he ran the final furlong in a super-sonic :06 seconds flat……………………………………Honorable Mentions: Speaking of burying maidens, it took Three Technique three tries but that exactly what he did in his last. The son of Mr. Speaker rallied from near last early, with an eye catching six wide move on the turn and ran away from the field to win by 5 ½ lengths…no surprise if he betters this rating in this well matched field……………………..Tiz the Law also decimated (State Bred) maidens his first time out. Yet another son of Constitution, this handsome colt came from behind and opened on the field at will down the lane. So much so, his rider was basically pulling him up in the 100 or so yards in a visually impressive performance.

Keeneland Race Course
Race: 7 (4:29 PM EST Post)
Thoroughbred Club of America Stakes
Spiced Perfection is a two time Grade: 1 winner including one on this oval. Don’t worry about the 151 days since her last race as she has trained smartly recently and has a habit of running well off of layoffs……Narrow margin over Chalon, who has been either first or second in her last nine races in a row spanning the last two years. I was very impressed with this $550,000 daughter of Dialed In’s last race where she broke poorly and was block in on the turn for home yet still won…………….Ours to Run rattled off six straight wins vs. lesser before finishing a close up third in the Grade: 2 Honorable Miss at Saratoga last time out. Note, she finished just a head behind Chalon in that race, signaling to me she can handle this caliber horse…………………Honorable Mentions: When Mia Mischief is right, she poses an enormous threat. However, her last three races signal she is cycling out of form……………….Danuska’s My Girl ships in from California, has good speed and is 4 for 5 lifetime at 6 furlongs………………….Dawn the Destroyer completely outran her 10-1 odds in the Grade: 1 Ballerina last time out. Mare by Speightstown chased (finished second) upper echelon older female Come Dancing and, from what I saw standing on the rail, she was trying very hard. That said, she is just 4 for 18 lifetime.
Race: 8 (5:04 PM EST Post)
First Lady Stakes
Rushing Fall does nothing but run lights out as her 10-8-2-0 career record would indicate. You absolutely must forgive her last where she took command of the Grade: 1 Diana Stakes at Saratoga but was run down in deep stretch by the supremely talented Sistercharlie. Past that, this filly by More Than Ready ran a mile (this distance) in an eye popping 1:31.3 two starts back, has trained brilliantly of late and is 4 for 4 on this turf course. Another close call in what might be the most talent laden field I’ve seen all year………………..After a narrow defeat two starts back, Vasilika bounced back to her winning ways. This chestnut mare, who was 9 for 11 last year and 5 for 6 this year, came roaring down the lane, including a smoking :11.1 final furlong, to get her nostril on the wire first in the John C. Mabee last time out. Albeit, she ventures outside of California for the first time in a while, it’s really hard not to include her in the exotics……………….Uni had won five straight, including a Grade:1, before taking on the boys in her last and finishing a fast closing third. Note she came from 17 lengths back, (including :21 and change internal second quarter) to get beaten by less than three lengths on the wire in that race. Bottom line here is I won't be surprised if she is standing in the winner’s circle after this race………………………Honorable Mentions: (and there are several due the depth of this field) Trainer Brad Cox has done a fantastic job with Juliet Foxtrot as he brought her along methodically since she came here from overseas. Filly by Dansili showed excellent versatility in winning her first three U.S. starts and was just a nose behind Vasilika in the aforementioned John C. Mabee Stakes in her last…..could better this rating…………….After “touring” Europe in her last four races, Indian Blessing missed by a neck in her return to the U.S last time out. Threat should she duplicate that effort here…………………Just Wonderful is another globe trotting filly. Note, the last time she ran in this country, she finished a strong second to the mega talented, but now on the sidelines Concrete Rose………………….Mitchell Road has good speed and sports a 9-5-3-0 career record. However, her form, much like my life, appears to be going in the wrong direction……………….Ms Bad Behavior has hit the board in 14 of 17 lifetime tries. That said, she has only four wins.
Race: 9 (5:39 PM EST Post)
Claiborne Breeders Futurity
It looks as though Constitution, who is on the rise as a stallion, is a son of Tapit and stands for $15,000, has a solid 1-2 punch in this race. Gouverneur Morris whistled in his sloppy tracked debut. This $600,000 gray colt won by nine and stopped the clock in 1:04.1. Back to back strong 5F works since signal he might be ready for the big stretch out in distance and even bigger rise in class………………….By Your Side, who won his first two starts including the Grade: 3 Sanford two starts back, may not have cared for the sloppy track in his last while chasing three apparent tigers. With the forecast of a “dry” day at Keeneland on Saturday, he could bounce back and run well in this spot………………Ajaaweed, a good looking son of Curlin, responded well to the stretch out in distance while manhandling maidens in his last………………….Honorable Mentions: Maxfield broke slowly (last) in his debut but was impressive methodically picking off horses, one by one, all the way around to get up for a three quarter length win…………..Tap It to Win finished second in his debut but came back to bury maiden last time out, scoring the highest Brisnet Speed Figure of anyone in this field………………I found it interesting that last time out winner Enforceable, a full brother to multiple Stakes winner and $2.2 million purchase Mohaymen from a few years ago, is the only horse in this field to be cutting back in distance………………….King Theo galloped in the mud at GP in his last.. Steps up here.
Race: 10 (6:15 PM EST Post)
Shadwell Turf Mile
The unbeaten Valid Point, who has run just three races late in his three year old season, must have some “issues” but also has talent as demonstrated by taking down a Grade: 1 in just his third career start. A three year old taking on elders makes me hesitate slightly but past that, he looks best…………..Van Beethoven is just 2 for 14 in his career but launched a visually impressive move on the turn and was charging hard, late against my top pick last time out….must be considered………………Bandua is clearly in career best form right now while winning two back and then leading to deep stretch before being overhauled by Horse of the Year candidate Bricks and Mortar in the Arlington Million last time out……………Honorable Mentions: Admission Office is a “from out of a clouds” late runner who is about one length away from being unbeaten in three starts in 2019. This handsome son of Point of Entry could be rolling down the stretch once again in this spot…………………Vintager is one of several “dark horses” coming from overseas to make their U.S. debuts. This son of Mastercraftman has won his last two and goes first time Lasix here………………..Divisidero is another in good form right now and this stretch running son of Kitten’s Joy worked a bullet at Fair Hill last week………………..Real Story looks like the dominant early speed in here and could be a menace late if left alone on a uncontested early lead.


Santa Anita Park
Race: 9 (7:30 PM EST Post)
Shancelot burst onto the scene while winning his first three starts and scoring towering speed figures. Speedy colt suffered his first career defeat in his last but I liked the way he battled gamely through the wire in that race. This son of Shanghai Bobby cuts back in distance here and has run a hole in the wind in the morning of late…………..Narrow margin over Omaha Beach, who I still think if he stayed healthy, would have been the best three year old male in the country. Although this son of War Front has been training lights out for his return, he did suffer several setbacks along the way including a very strange training session a few weeks ago. This will be his first start in over five months, I don’t think six furlongs is his best distance and, most importantly, this clearly looks like a “prep” race for (possibly) the Breeders Cup Dirt Mile………………Flagstaff has won two of his last three vs. lesser but he likes this track and his speed figures suggest he’s not completely out of this one….looks best of the rest.

By: Gerard Apadula
Director of Equine Operations and Development
Knights of the Round Stable Thoroughbred Racing Team
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2019- Record: 69-193 = 36%
2018- Record: 107-261= 41%
2017- Record: 92-235 = 39%
2016- Record: 91-229 = 40%
2015- Record: 67-180 = 37%
2014- Record: 29-73 = 40%
2013- Record: 20-59= 34%
2012 -Record: 24-73= 33%
2011 –Record: N/A
2010- Record: 24-74= 33%

Little Bets N’ Pieces
**** Amalfi Sunrise, one of the top 2-year-old fillies on the West Coast, is likely to be retired after a month-long struggle with pneumonia, trainer Simon Callaghan said last Sunday.
Amalfi Sunrise won her debut June 23 at Santa Anita by 6 1/4 lengths before winning by six lengths Aug. 3 in the Sorrento Stakes at Del Mar.
She was kept out of the Aug. 31 Del Mar Debutante Stakes with a minor hind-leg injury, but was then sent to San Luis Equine Hospital in Bonsall, Calif., in late August with pneumonia.
Callaghan thinks she will be released "next week" but doesn’t think her future has racing in it: "When they get it really bad for a long period of time, like she did, they get adhesions and (lung) scarring, and often after those things, they don't come back as good”.

**** Super star mare Enable is one of 16 horses pointing to Sunday's Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe.
Enable breezed on the Limekilns on Monday morning pleasing both her trainer John Gosden and jockey Frankie Dettori.
“It was great to get Enable back on the Limekilns where the ground was the easy side of good and conditions were perfect as there was no wind,” said Gosden. “I put her in front as it's best to mix it up with her as she can easily get bored doing the same thing. Frankie was happy with her and hopefully we can get through the next six days.”

**** Lil Indy, dam of disqualified 2019 Kentucky Derby winner Maximum Security, will be sold in foal to leading sire Quality Road during Book 1 of Keeneland’s November Breeding Stock Sale Wednesday, Nov. 6.

**** Awesome Again has been pensioned from stud duty.
The now 25 year old son of Deputy Minister is a homebred from Adena Springs, with stakes wins that include 1998 Breeders' Cup Classic, the Whitney, and the Queen's Plate.
He retired to Adena Springs' Kentucky section, where he has sired 18 crops of racing age with combined earnings in excess of $95 million.
His greatest accomplishment at stud has been the wickedly fast Ghostzapper, the 2004 Horse of the Year, who stands alongside him at Adena Springs. Ghostzapper won the Breeders' Cup Classic during his Horse of the Year campaign, making Awesome Again the only sire to date to have won the Classic and sired a Classic winner.
Other notable runners by Awesome Again include champion Ginger Punch, Breeders' Cup Distaff winner Round Pond, Breeders' Cup Juvenile winner Wilko, Grade 1 winner Game On Dude, and the incredible Paynter.

**** Grade: 1 Florida Derby winner Audible has been retired from racing and will enter stud at WinStar Farm for the 2020 breeding season. More on this as it unfolds.
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2019.05.03 22:51 Ticket240 Clarity - Track by Track Breakdown

I posted on here a little while ago asking for help finding the original Clarity Live album booklet. In my memory it included a track by track breakdown of the album. I think that my memory was wrong. I was spurred into searching for the breakdown afresh today...and I found it! This is from an archived page on the band's website and may have been an email campaign to fans. It was published in 2009 for the 10th anniversary of the album.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090716202344/http://www.jimmyeatworld.com/clarity/?utm_source=ts&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=cltxt

Here's the text:

INTRODUCTION

Zach: The past few months have been a special time for us. During this time we’ve been learning, rehearsing and playing these songs from Clarity for our fans across the United States. The Clarity x 10 tour was the ten year anniversary of our album “Clarity.” We ultimately decided to do this tour as a result of some encouragement from our fans. A handful of fans kept prodding us to plan something like this and so we took their advice. Sadly, the tour is now over but it has made way for the release of this live recording of the last performance of the tour in Tempe, AZ.
We were absolutely floored by the response from everyone who came out to the shows to help us celebrate these songs. The fact that this tour took place would have seemed unimaginable to us when we were making this album. When Clarity was being recorded, we were completely under anyone’s radar and we were pretty sure it would be our last major label record. So in light of all this, words can’t express our gratitude for all those who’ve been listening for the past ten years and beyond. Without your passion we wouldn’t exist so thank you!
For those who could not be with us in person to celebrate, we hope this live recording will be an avenue for you to participate. We tried to craft this live album so that you, the listener, would feel like you were in the room. We hope you enjoy.

TABLE FOR GLASSES

Jim: I don’t usually discuss what songs are specifically about. But I think Table is worth talking about because it can help explain why that is. I was working at an art supply store off and on in between Static Prevails tour legs. At the end of the month we would be instructed to rip off the covers of the magazines we didn’t sell and box them to be returned. Being a not so great-paying retail gig, the staff would have little remorse just taking the old zines. I would check out Flash Art and Blind Spot. I found myself liking Maurizio Cattelan’s stuff. It was engaging in a way I hadn’t expected. He was the first person I found presenting art in a way that got you to think about what art really is.
The local art scene was totally different than the music scene. Working at the store helped me find out about openings and showings. My group of friends were living in the university area but no one was going to school. We would hit up any and all openings. It felt like we were infiltrating a secret society, taking all their free food and drinks. Once, one of my dance-based coworkers had a performance on the college campus. It was tied in with some other local people’s work. Some with visual art, some with human-involved installation pieces. While we were outside waiting for my friend’s dance piece to start, there was a girl cleaning the ground with the tail of an all white dress. I think I was the only one of us who noticed. She went behind us and across a courtyard very slowly until she got to a candle lit table that had already been set up. She just sat there picking out the dirt from her dress into a few dozen tumblers. It occurred to me this was intended to be art. I know that sounds funny. This image of her stuck with me and for a while I couldn’t figure out why. It wasn’t because I had been searching for some deeper meaning in why she was presenting her piece. It was because I realized it doesn’t matter why. This is the reason I usually steer conversations away from exact, specific explanations of lyrics and song-meanings: there is no correct way to interpret art. And there is no meaning more important or special than the one the listenereadeviewer decides for themselves.
There were a few songs on Clarity that were originally meant to be for a side project of quiet songs. It never got past a few “jams” so all the songs went up for Clarity consideration. Table was one of the first in that batch. I was listening to a lot of Low at the time (which you can tell from the extended cymbal-snare drum pattern and held out vocals towards the end). I like how sparse it stays until the kick drum finally enters at the “lead my skeptic sight…” part. Recording this song taught us that if you aren’t doing a lot, it doesn’t take a lot to get a big dynamic impact. The lone cello is a good example of that. Susie Katayama helped write and arrange strings for some of the Clarity songs. Table wasn’t one of the main priorities for strings but she heard it and really liked it. It was past her session stop time but she told us she wanted a pass to roll on the idea she had. Pretty sure what you hear on the song is the last (one-pass) take of the day.
The atmosphere of the Clarity sessions was very encouraging for experimentation. Any idea was explored for some element to make the song better. I would think a song was totally finished and then one of the guys in the band or Mark would bring up an idea that really closed the deal. Tom and Rick had a hook up to get Bjork tickets one night. I really wanted to go but had to do some guitar thing that was holding up other overdubs. Later that night Mark told me to try and add some counterpoint vocals in the ending crescendo section. What happened is the “not asking of me anything...” section. I can’t imagine the tune not having that. And I still have never seen solo Bjork live.
Zach: Compared to the way that we had decided to start off our previous album, “Static Prevails”, we thought beginning “Clarity” with “Table for Glasses” was fitting. We felt it served as a musical palette cleanser and hopefully provided a bit of a surprise. This was one of those songs that began as a simple, unassuming song but then took on a new life when we were putting it together in the studio.

LUCKY DENVER MINT

Jim: Clarity was finished and ready to go. Artwork and everything complete. Only problem was we had no pending release date. Craig, our A$R person, had an idea to help us keep the ball rolling so we could have something to tour with. We would release an EP with a couple songs from the record and some outtakes/extra stuff. He put us in contact with Vinnie from Less Than Jake, who also ran Fueled By Ramen records. He was into the idea and agreed to put it out. Denver was the lead song for the EP. A couple crazy things happened after the ep was released. KROQ in LA added the song to their playlist and it was pitched to be in a Drew Barrymore movie called, “Never Been Kissed”. Bam! That week we got a firm release date for the album.
Zach: This was the first song of ours that got played on the radio. We first heard it as we were driving in our van over the hills between the valley and Hollywood on Coldwater Canyon Road. The reception kept cutting in and out which was, looking back on it, a pretty accurate omen. The song didn’t last long on the radio and that was probably a good thing in the long run.
Jim: I have a strong suspicion Craig was tactfully keeping from us that the label had no intention of releasing Clarity. That is, until KROQ started playing it. Really why would they have kept us around? I think at the time Static Prevails had sold maybe somewhere close to 5k copies. One thing we learned early in the process recording and touring with Static was that the big labels were great selling tens and hundreds of thousands of records. They had no infrastructure to develop a band like us that had sold a single handful of thousands.
It was pretty rad doing the movie soundtrack. We got to meet Drew Barrymore. We got to make one of those videos where you see scenes from the movie interlaced. Growing up, watching those always seemed to make the video a bigger deal. The film soundtrack was released and promoted worldwide at a time when our albums were not. Thanks to Ms Barrymore, we got at least one of our songs out across the water.
Zach: Lucky Denver Mint was one of the first songs we came up with that sounded distinctly like “us”. It was a rock song but not a typical kind of rock song for 1998. The contrast of the swing in the rhythm and the straightness of the guitars that’s found in this track was something we’ve always been attracted to. This track was also the first time we ever tried recording two different parts on the drum set. We like the effect so much we ended up using two sets on Ten and Good Bye Sky Harbor.

YOUR NEW AESTHETIC

Zach: This song went through a lot of changes in the writing process. It started out as a very mellow track with the same lyrical theme but then evolved into a more aggressive, dark rock song. In an odd way, Your New Aesthetic is sort of a companion song to Table for Glasses in that it holds a similar kind of tension during the first half of the song and then opens up to a much larger, wider sound for the second half.
Jim: The rock version you hear on Clarity was called “Skeleton” for a while because the loud guitar parts in between the verses reminded us of horror film music. Like when the shower curtain gets pulled back and you see the knife for the first time. It had completely different lyrics. I started to lay down the vocals and decided they could be better. So I scrapped the whole thing and adapted the lyrics from the mellow version. You can hear how the original Your New Aesthetic sounded on the self-titled EP that Fueled By Ramen released.

BELIEVE IN WHAT YOU WANT

Jim: We were asked to contribute a cover for a Duran Duran tribute album. In part of the hoopla for the release, we got to play with Duran Duran in the Hollywood Tower Records parking lot. Remember that? Tower Records? This was during the Static Prevails touring time. When we were playing shows in garages and basements that Zach himself was booking. At one point after we met the band we were surrounded by paparazzi style photographers. I kept thinking: this is crazy, none of you know or care who we are. I suppose the greater meaning behind the song is to keep in sight what is truly important. Don’t get caught up in the fluff that doesn’t really matter.

A SUNDAY

Zach: The key to this song was making the choruses more soft and intimate compared to the verses. It wasn’t until we made that adjustment did the song really come together nicely. A Sunday is still one of our more successful attempts at capturing a song on a recording. It just really translated well on tape.
Jim: We stated recording Clarity at Sound City in Van Nuys. We had good luck doing drums for Static there so we decided to try it again. Sunday has one of my favorite drum sounds. The slower tempo and low overdub count let the drums breathe. You can hear why the big room is the expensive room. I think that is Sylvia Massey’s B-3 organ we “borrowed” for an afternoon. This is also where Mark showed us the program rebirth. For a while we wasted many, many hours tweaking in the lame-beat vortex, convinced it might just be the right thing for certain parts in other songs.

CRUSH

Jim: So simple and straight forward. I can’t remember if we ever tried different arrangement ideas. Probably not. I don’t think this is greatly different from the first guitar and hi-hat only drum demo.
Zach: Going into the studio we felt “Crush” was one of the stronger rock tunes in the batch. We didn’t fiddle with it a whole lot and it came together really well. I figure Jim wrote this when he lived in Flagstaff based on the reference to snow. We don’t get that stuff down here in Phoenix.

12.23.95

Zach: This is a song we put together in Jim’s parents living room with a drum machine and a small recording set up we used in the early days. We used just a little digital tape machines and a 16 channel mixer.
Jim: Zach brought over a Dr.Rythym or something to my house when we were demoing ideas for other songs. We were recording and Zach just started pushing buttons. When the patterns zach programmed change in the intro, it is totally random. We incorporated it and made the music around it. The drone guitar that sounds lo-res is me shuttling the guitar tracks backwards and recording it on a different tape, then dumping it back in. It was a one in a million chance that it would line up exactly with the random pattern change in the intro.
Zach: When we were in the studio we tried to come up with cooler drum machine sounds but weren’t successful so we just ended up using our crappy drum machine.
Jim: Nothing we tried sounded as cool as the demo. We busted out the crappy digital tape recorder and played back the demo, recording it into the tape for the Clarity sessions. Great timing too because when we got back that night from dinner at poquito mas or something, we found out that Mark’s laptop and our crappy digital tape machines we used to demo had been stolen.
Zach: When Jim came up with the little keyboard part we always thought it sounded like something out of a Japanese video game like Final Fantasy.
Jim: Yes, I was playing a lot of Final Fantasy 7 at the time. I have no doubt video game music is the inspiration for the keyboard lead parts.

TEN

Zach: This is one of our favorite songs on the record. It’s a simple song that really came to life during the recording process. It has lots of sonic textures that were really fun to play with in creating the track. It’s to this day one of our most enjoyable songs to play live.
Jim: The demo for Ten had a drum pattern that just did the verse beat over and over like a loop. The dreamy feel it made was cool but not for the whole song. We decided to use different drum set ups for each section like we approached Denver. The loop would play for the whole song and Zach would come in playing the other kit for the chorus and bridge sections. At the time, Nick Raskulinniz was an engineer assisting at Sound City (he would later go on to win grammies working with the Foo Fighters). Superdrag had just recorded for Head Trip In Every Key there. Nick was around for that session and showed us the actual strip of tape they used to make a drum loop. The term loop gets thrown around so much these days I am not sure if some people know it originally described a loop of physical tape as much as a repeating music phrase. You would record your part, then slice it up at the spot you want to repeat. Usually the phrase was longer than the exact length of the path around the tape reels so you would use a mic stand or something to extend the path. Looks a little goofy and like it could break the tape deck but that is how you do it. I think we burnt over some of Superdrag’s loop tape to make ours for the verses of Ten.

JUST WATCH THE FIREWORKS

Jim: We came out to LA about a week before our studio time started to do pre-production with Mark. We holed up in an LA rehearsal spot. I think the rumor at the time was Rage Against the Machine just did a whole album in their practice room at the same joint. It seemed like such a pain in the ass having to load in and out for a daily or hourly jam session. We didn’t have a dedicated practice place but we could play almost anytime at Rick and Tom’s “club 700”. There wasn’t anything we could do to make the neighbors hate that house MORE. Fireworks started out with a much slower, almost ballad-y approach. Mark had the idea to try it more mid-tempo and driving. Took us a few run-throughs to relearn the song that way but it made it much better.

FOR ME THIS IS HEAVEN

Jim: We had a decent recording budget available. It wasn’t a ton of money. Just enough to do what we wanted if we prioritized where we spent. Our manager was gracious enough to let us all stay at a house he used as offices. He managed Ice-T. We slept on the floor with Trespass, Surviving the Game and New Jack Huslter posters above our sleeping bag spots. I never had a second thought about sleeping on the floor for over a month. It didn’t matter because we were making a record. We sunk our money into whatever we thought could provide an opportunity for creativity. Mainly, studio time and instrument rentals.
It would have been nice to stay at Sound City for the whole time, but we would have run out of cash fast. After we recorded the drums, we moved to a place where we had a cheaper day rate. It was a studio off of Burbank called Clear Lake. We were going at recording like we would never make another real album again. A few days we rented just about every percussion instrument and toy we could get. We had vibes, bells, tubular bells, temple blocks, cowbells… whatever. Yes, multiple cowbells with different pitches in case the first few weren’t exactly quenching the fever. They were wheeling in timpani when we realized we had taken it a little too far. It was fun having all that stuff laying around. You would just be walking by and HAVE to start messing around with something. Heaven has a lot of cool rhythmic parts going on. That came from Zach and Mark tweaking around with the trays of hand percussion instruments. I could be wrong but this may be the only jimmy eat world song with triangle.

BLISTER

Jim: Tom is the one who should really be talking about this one. People have asked why this is the only Tom main vocal when on Static we traded off main vocals almost down the middle. I think in leading up to Clarity I started immediately putting words to the music ideas I had. After that happened it was hard to not want to sing it.

CLARITY

Jim: I don’t know what made us start messing around with alternate guitar tunings. Maybe reading guitar-magazine interviews with Sonic Youth. Heaven and Clarity are played in an open “E” tuning, where you strum all the guitar strings open to make an “E” chord. Clarity seemed like a good title track. It was a period for the band when things were coming together. We felt like we were starting to sound like our own band instead of like our record collections. It felt like we had set the bar higher for ourselves.

GOODBYE SKY HARBOR

Zach: The most noticeable aspect of the song is its length. When we were mapping out how we would record the song, we decided the song would use up an entire whole reel of two-inch tape which ended up being a little over sixteen minutes long. We recorded the ending the extended outro until the tape ran out and then went back to construct the ending it now has with the added vocal loops and the disco ending.
Jim: The idea was to have it end up in a sonically different place, but still have some of the same melodies. Sky Harbor stayed more concept than song for a long time. We changed the drum sounds between the verse and chorus by having Zach play to a slowed down tape. That way when it get played back at regular speed it sounds higher pitched. The higher pitched kit comes in for the second chorus and sticks around until the end. Mark kept slowing down the tape until it ran out. I think Zach must have been playing that beat for almost a half hour as the record speed got slower and slower. While that is happening, Zach is playing another overdubbed drum set that Mark was speeding up as he played. You can hear one kit get higher and one get lower as the song goes on. Fleshing out the ending was the last thing we did.
We started to mix the album in one studio but got freaked out for some reason that we weren’t getting as good a sound as we were in the tracking studio. One of the drawbacks to spending so much time recording was the roughs sounded almost like a record. We were packing up and Mark had me go into a vocal booth and go at it scatting ideas over the trance-jam section. I just put a bunch of ideas down and we left. It wasn’t until we were forced to mix Sky Harbor that Mark decided to arrange the ideas into the order they appear. The idea was to have it go by one phrase longer than you expected something new to come in, and then have something new come in. Maybe it was the way the high kit was sounding at the end, almost like a drum and bass song, that provided the idea to go electric sounding. The end drums aren’t really machine drums, they are the hits from the high kit cut up and dropped in by hand, fills and all.
Zach: The lyrics are inspired by the John Irving novel “A Prayer for Owen Meany”.
Jim: Anthrax always had a Stephen King song. I thought why not try going with something I was reading.
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2018.06.24 01:16 EmmaZhong Choose between a class C misdemeanor conviction or green card

I am a immigrant software engineer. I got a criminal speeding ticket in Arizona. I was driving from Flagstaff to Page, AZ. It's on highway US89. It's 8 am in the morning. I was trying to get to a tour for the lower antelope canyon tour. I was in the middle of some dessert area. Very few car on the road. I was not aware of the speed limit of that highway varies a lot from 65 to 45. When I was stopped, the police officer said the radar on his car shown my speed was 108 on a 45 limit. Then the police officer arrested me, had my car towed and sent me to the detention facility. I asked if I can bail myself out. The police officer said yes and the bond is the same amount of the ticket $459. But it didn't happen. I stayed at the detention facility from morning to like 4pm. A local friend came and bailed me out as I called her when I was in the policy car.
The traffic ticket says I am charged with: Section: 28-701.02A2, Statue: ARS, Violation: "Exceed limit by 20/45 MPH", Offense Classification: Criminal Traffic. No drug or alcohol involved. No one was hurt. And it's my first time getting a speed ticket. And if I got convicted, I would have a class C misdemeanor in my criminal records for the rest of my life.
I got a local lawyer to help me. He's the most expensive lawyer I found. I chose him because most of the lawyers I talked with said that my case is too difficult (108 mph in a 45 mph zone) and maybe not worth fighting or very little chance to not get convicted. My traffic lawyer told me that he would try every way to get me not convicted before giving up and it can take months and even more than a year.
I on H1B visa for the 6th year and my priority date finally was before the cutoff date and my immigration lawyer filed green card application for me. I got the notice that I could have a green card interview mid July. But it's very likely that my green card application would get denied because of the pending traffic case. My immigration lawyer doesn't have much experience with criminal immigration issues. She gave a referral and from the referral it seems the conviction of the case would not impact getting green card.
I told the situation to my traffic lawyer. He offered me 3 options: 1. plea guilty, 2. he would set up trial in 1 or 2 months, 3. keep fight on and let the green card application fail.
He also told me that criminal Speeding is one of the only crimes in Arizona that cannot be “set aside”. No expunge and No seal.
I searched online and found that a misdemeanor criminal records could have many potential impacts: employment, housing rights, access to loans, family rights, etc. The 2 most concerning ones are: 1. If I make another mistake similar to this, I would face much harsher penalties. 2. Maybe some employer would not hire me for this criminal records.
I am not sure what to do next and need some advice. The issue I am facing is when the traffic case is not resolved, my green card application will get denied as I can't provide the required final court disposition for the case. Shall I plead guilty to unblock GC i-485 review, or shall I withdraw my current 485 application and wait for potentially years in order to let the case hopefully decay to “not guilty”(if possible) first, then re-apply i-485?
And my current H1B visa expires the end of the year. I need to extend it from this summer every year as I use up the first 6 years.
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2018.06.24 01:05 EmmaZhong Choose between a class C misdemeanor conviction or green card

I am a immigrant software engineer. I got a criminal speeding ticket in Arizona. I was driving from Flagstaff to Page, AZ. It's on highway US89. It's 8 am in the morning. I was trying to get to a tour for the lower antelope canyon tour. I was in the middle of some dessert area. Very few car on the road. I was not aware of the speed limit of that highway varies a lot from 65 to 45. When I was stopped, the police officer said the radar on his car shown my speed was 108 on a 45 limit. Then the police officer arrested me, had my car towed and sent me to the detention facility. I asked if I can bail myself out. The police officer said yes and the bond is the same amount of the ticket $459. But it didn't happen. I stayed at the detention facility from morning to like 4pm. A local friend came and bailed me out as I called her when I was in the policy car.
The traffic ticket says I am charged with: Section: 28-701.02A2, Statue: ARS, Violation: "Exceed limit by 20/45 MPH", Offense Classification: Criminal Traffic. No drug or alcohol involved. No one was hurt. And it's my first time getting a speed ticket. And if I got convicted, I would have a class C misdemeanor in my criminal records for the rest of my life.
I got a local lawyer to help me. He's the most expensive lawyer I found. I chose him because most of the lawyers I talked with said that my case is too difficult (108 mph in a 45 mph zone) and maybe not worth fighting or very little chance to not get convicted. My traffic lawyer told me that he would try every way to get me not convicted before giving up and it can take months and even more than a year.
I am on H1B visa for the 6th year and my priority date finally was before the cutoff date and my immigration lawyer filed green card application for me. I got the notice that I could have a green card interview mid July. But it's very likely that my green card application would get denied because of the pending traffic case. My immigration lawyer doesn't have much experience with criminal immigration issues. She gave a referral and from the referral it seems the conviction of the case would not impact getting green card.
I told the situation to my traffic lawyer. He offered me 3 options: 1. plea guilty, 2. he would set up trial in 1 or 2 months, 3. keep fight on and let the green card application fail.
He also told me that criminal Speeding is one of the only crimes in Arizona that cannot be “set aside”. No expunge and No seal.
I searched online and found that a misdemeanor criminal records could have many potential impacts: employment, housing rights, access to loans, family rights, etc. The 2 most concerning ones are: 1. If I make another mistake similar to this, I would face much harsher penalties. 2. Maybe some employer would not hire me for this criminal records.
I am not sure what to do next and need some advice. The issue I am facing is when the traffic case is not resolved, my green card application will get denied as I can't provide the required final court disposition for the case. Shall I plead guilty to unblock GC i-485 review, or shall I withdraw my current 485 application and wait for potentially years in order to let the case hopefully decay to “not guilty”(if possible) first, then re-apply i-485?
And my current H1B visa expires the end of the year. I need to extend it from this summer every year as I use up the first 6 years.
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2018.02.11 09:13 serpentine19 South Australian State Election - Policies and Promises

South Australian State Election Date - 17 March 2018
Looks like this will be the final edit for the election. Good luck voting everyone and make sure to go out and get your Democracy Sausages!!
HEALTH
Labor Liberal Greens SA Best
$1.2B Upgrades to Health System including new Women’s Hospital $110M for Modbury Hospital Caring for Carers Royal Commission into the Health System
$70M over 5 Years to Mental Health Funding Re-open the Repat Hospital Right to Euthanasia Additional Paramedics, Ambulances and Equipment
$5M towards Suicide Prevention Build a New Women's and Children Hospital by 2024 Restore Funding to Regional Areas Repurpose Repat and Reinstate acute, critical care and Emergency Support Services at Modbury and Noarlunga Hospitals
Free Meningococcal B Vaccine for Children 2 and Under $1M a Year to Paediatric Eating Disorders - Review of the EPAS
Free Flu Vaccine for Children Under 5 $7.8M for Regional Hospitals - $24.4M a year to increase access to Palliative Care and $14M on Properly Designed Community Palliative Care
Fight Federal Government to Remove GST on Female Sanitary Items Inpatient Rapid Detox Beds in the Riverland Region - No Health Cuts
$15M Towards Chronic Disease Prevention $7M to Prevent Prescription Drug Abuse - Restoration of High Dependency Ward with at Least 4 Beds at Modbury Hospital
$4M over 4 Years Investment in Specialist Nursing Cut cost of Metropolitan Hospital Carparks - Mandatory Rehab and Detox Facilities for Ice Users
- Build a New Acute Ward at Noarlunga Hospital - $8K to Streaky Bay Hospital to Buy Heart Monitors
- New Mental Health Facilities in Each of the Three Precincts - $5M Re-Development of Glenelg Community Hospital
- $40M to Tackle Elective Surgery Backlog - $2M for Paramedic Ambulance Services on Yorke Peninsula
- Audit on Mental Health Department at the RAH - Full Time Pediatrician and Obstetrician returned to Whyalla Hospital
- $2.5M over 5 Years Towards Suicide Prevention - Equal Rebates No Matter the Provider
- $16M to Extending Community Outreach Palliative Care - Additional Ambulance Crew and a Service SA Center at Mt.Barker
- - - $5M to Cancer Research Hub
EDUCATION
Labor Liberal Greens SA Best
$67M Extra Funding for Public Schools TAFESA new board 2 Years Free Pre-School Education Trial Phonics Check Recommended by Dyslexia SA
$608K SA Fruit for SA Kids** $100M to Create New Places in VET System Reverse Corporatisation of TAFESA and Appoint VET Ombudsman Pilot Scholarship Scheme for up to 50 Students from Disadvantaged Backgrounds to Live at Residential Colleges
47 Child Support Centers and STEM Introduced to Preschool Teachings Literacy and Dyslexia Funding Restore Funding for the Skill For All Program Independent Inquiry into TAFSA's Course Accreditation and Management
$2.6M for Literacy and Numeracy Skills** Increase Penalties for School Truancy - Restore Industry Skills Board
$9.6M to Road Safety Education in Primary Schools $2.5M to Attract More International Students - Keep Norwood Morialta Middle School as an Educational Site
TAFESA to Remain a Public Asset $60M to Move the International Centre for Tourism, Hospitality and Food Studies to oRAH - -
10x Faster Internet for Schools by 2020 - - -
$70M Towards Laptops for all Year 10 Public School Students Over 5 Years - - -
$11.5M p.a Towards Special Needs Within Schools for 5 Years - - -
$6M over 5 Years to Create 200 School Based Trainee-ships in the Disability Sector - - -
$6M to 20 New Nature Play Spaces at Pre-Schools - - -
ENERGY
Labor Liberal Greens SA Best
50,000 House Solar Grid $200M to Strengthen Interconnector Between SA and NEM 100% Renewable Energy by 2030 and End Subsidies for Fossil Fuels Strengthen Pricing Controls and Make SA as Self-Sufficient as possible
Solar Thermal Plant - Solar Hot Water and Panels on all SA Rental Properties and Provide Greater Protections Against Price Rise of Utilities -
$150M Renewable Energy Technology Fund - Establish Publicly Owned Energy Retailer -
Create a Energy & Water Services Department to Ensure Publicly Owned Utilities are Protected from Privatization - Abandon State Owned Gas Plant -
75% Renewable Energy Target by 2025 - - -
No Interest Loans for Solar and Batteries - _ -
BUSINESS & INDUSTRY
Labor Liberal Greens SA Best
$2M to Game Development Industry Including Game Industry Hub No Payroll Tax for Small Business Bridging the Digital Divide Farm Protection Insurance
$200M Future Jobs Fund Deregulating shopping hours Legislate Industrial Manslaughter as an Offence and Impose Harsher Penalties for Negligent Employers $4M Over 5 Years for Farming Insurance Rebate
Up to $5K increase in Job Accelerator Grants New freight options including airport in Murray Bridge Ban Fracking on Farmland and Protect Farmers from Open Cut Mining $5M Over 4 Years to Local Music Industry
$8.2M establishing a Hydrogen Bus Production Facility and Refuelling Minimum 3 Year Expiry for Gift Cards 40% increase in Art Grants $300K over 3 Years for Barossa Events Coordinator
Pay Roll tax reduced to 2.5% for Small Businesses South Australian Trade Office Opened in Shanghai - Increase Tourism Budget
$1.46M for Trial to Prevent Farming Spray Drift** Upskill Workers for Defence Shipbuilding Contract - Bid for QANTAS to Open Pilot Training Academy in Regional SA
New Laws Against Young Worker Exploitation $4M towards Growing Food Production Industry - Registration and Compensation Relief for Taxi Drivers
10% Mining Royalties for Farmers $27.5M to Establishing an Entrepreneurs Hub at oRAH - Strengthen Protections for Farmland
430 Manufacturing Jobs for Battery Production Investing in Local Fund Management Industry - No Payroll Tax for Small Businesses
$90M to Tourism Budget New VISA for Business Growth and Investment - -
Portable Long Service Leave Extended to Other Sectors $2M to Extend Breakwater to Reduce Number of Days Kangaroo Island Ferry is Inoperable - -
Additional $30M to Investment Attraction - - -
$25M Towards New Food Innovation Hub - - -
$2M to Live Music Industry Over 3 Years - - -
TRANSPORT
Labor Liberal Greens SA Best
50 Electric vehicle charging stations $7.5M Park'n'Ride Upgrade for Paradise Exchange Safe Public Bike Storage Around CBD and Expanded Bike Lanes and Bike Paths $3.9M to Trial Public Transport through Murraylands and South of Mt.Barker
$18.9M Park'n'Ride Upgrade for Paradise Exchange, $15M Park'n'Ride Upgrade for Tea Tree Plaza & Klemzig, $4M to create a Park'n'Ride at Parafield Airport Great Southern Bike Trail Linking SA and VIC Free public Transport for School Kids Going to and From School, Free Travel for Seniors and Redefining Peak Times Bikeway Linking Mt.Barker and Amy Gillet Bikeway
$2B Removal of 7 Congested and Dangerous Crossing, Build a Deep Water Port and Expand the Tram Network Port Wakefield Road Overpass - Fix Flagtaff Road and Upgrade Flagstaff Community Center
Public Transport Fares to be Reduced from around 25%-50% Add Right-Hand Turn to Tram on King William X North Terrace - $11M Upgrade to Dukes Highway
$4.1M to build and Upgrade Bus Shelters - - Affordable Transport for the South
No Stamp Duty & Free Rego for New Electric and No-Emission Vehicles - - $2M Upgrade to Unley Cycling
$279M for Tram Extension to The Parade - - $10M Upgrade to Yorkeys Crossing at Port Augusta
- - - Overhaul of Browns Well Highway
- - - $250K to Pedestrian Crossing at Victor Harbor
INFRASTRUCTURE
Labor Liberal Greens SA Best
$4M Multicultural Hub $10M to Fix Mobile Black Spots - $500K Upgrade to Golden Grove Netball Courts
Transform Glenthorne Farm into an Outdoor Community Hub Glenthorne National Park Creation in the Southern Suburbs - $500K Upgrade for McGlip Sports Complex
$4M to Redevelopment of Moonta st, Chinatown $20M Redevelopment of Glenelg Jetty - $10M for Mobile Blackspots
$3M New Skatepark in Narnungga/Park 25 National Aboriginal Art and Culture Center at oRAH - $500K Valley Happy Bowling Green
$35M Expansion of GigCity Internet Network Top 10 Infrastructure Projects - $1M for New Blackwood Library and Art Center
$28M to New Urban Parks and Trail Network - - $3M for New Art Gallery in Handorf
$150M to Upgrade 600 Housing Trust Homes - - $300K Upgrade for Goolwa Oval
- - - $7.5M Redevelopment for Port Adelaide Football Club
- - - $250K Redevlopment of Hills Recreational Ground at Woodside
- - - $50K for Little Athletics Facility Upgrade in the Adelaide Hills
- - - Redevelop Port Stavnac Oil Refinery Ghost Town
- - - 6 Point Plant to Revive Port Adelaide
- - - $6M to State of Art Basketball Stadium Development
- - - $30M to Re-energize Waite
- - - $10M to Assist Development of Fish Market in Port Adelaide
COMMUNITY
Labor Liberal Greens SA Best
$200K to Trail New Shark Surveillance and Deterrence Technology & $5K Grant to all Surf Life Saving Clubs Support Ice Factor Beyond 2020 A Fair Go for Renters $1M to Support Southern Sporting Clubs
Appoint a Disability Advocate & $1.5M p.a Community Fund Drones for the Surf Lifesaving Clubs Reduce Expansion of Population and Adelaide Borders Implement Rental Subsidy to Help Victims Fleeing Violence
Increased Penalties and Funding for Domestic Violence Domestic Violence Measures Affordable housing Increase Number of Places in Crisis Accommodation for Woman and Children Fleeing Violence
Will Not Sell Coastal KI Land for Golf Course** Domestic Violence App Guarantee Survival of Community Legal Centers and Restore Welfare Rights Centre Keep the Port Augusta City Safe Program
Sport Voucher Extended for another 4 Years $9M Increase Crisis Accomodation for Victims of Domestic Violence Increase Environment Funding and Plan for Capture, Treat and Reuse of Stormwater and Sewerage Water $300K Glenelg Arts Plan
$9.7M for Walking, Cycling, Parks, Playgrounds and Reserves Open Reservoirs for Recreational Activities - Off-Road Motorcycle Tracks in State Forests
Adelaide Film Festival to be Annualized $550K to Rejuvenate Heritage Listed Buildings - $200K to Support Southern Suburbs Gymnastics
$37.5M to 10 New Children's Centers $5M to CFS Upgrades - Reducing Pokie Machines in Hotels and Clubs
Establish a Second Good Money Branch in the South Abolish fees for all Volunteers DCSI Screenings - Exclusive Wake Boarding Area at Waikerie
Free DCSI Screening Checks for Elderly Volunteers $1M to Speed up Adelaide 500 Erection/Dismantling from 25 Weeks to 21 - Seniors Plan Including Free Public Transport, Mobile Dental Service and Increased Funding for Meals on Wheels
$300K p.a to Support Womens Sports - - New Body to Fix Up Metropolitan Beaches
- - - Environmental Plan to Remediate Port Augusta Power Station
- - - $20M to Clean Water Research and Development
- - - $100K to childcare service in Mallee
- - - $10M Lifeline to Foodbanks
- - - Parliamentary Inquiry into Parafield Airport Noise Complaints
REGIONAL
Labor Liberal Greens SA Best
New National Park to Protect Flinders Ranges Fossils** 20 More Park Rangers - Increase Outback Funding from $650K to $3M a Year
$150M over 10 Years to Regional Development Fund 30% Regional Royalties from State Revenue from Minerals and Petroleum - Revive the Regions, $15M to Entrepreneurs in Regional Areas
LAW ENFORCEMENT
Labor Liberal Greens SA Best
Dob in a Hoon App Light Armoured Vest Trial for Police - Raise Legal Smoking Age to 21
Crimestoppers Budget Increased by $960K p.a for 4 Years Raise Maximum Penalty for Cannibis Possession from $500 to $2k - Implement GPS Monitoring for Domestic and Family Violence Offenders
Support for Carly's Law Reinstate Police Station Opening Times - Support for Carly's Law
Wage Theft to Become a Criminal Offence with Maximum 15 Year Jail Sentence - - Stop Scaling Back of Police Force and Ensure Renmark Station Remains Open
- - - Introduce New Laws to Protect Elderly and Vulnerable Adults
- - - New Rights for Victims of Crime
- - - Legalise Medicinal Cannabis
- - - Make Helmet Cameras Legal
GOVERNMENT
Labor Liberal Greens SA Best
Appoint an Aboriginal Children's Commissioner Emergency Services Levy reduced by 50% Electoral Funding Reform and Ban Selling Access to Ministers Reduce Size of Parliament from 69 to 51 and Minsters from 14 to 9
Create Department of Digital Innovation to Bring Faster Internet to Businesses and Housholds Capped Council Rates Voluntary Voting for 16/17 Year Olds Reduce Legislative Councillors term from 8 years to 4
Set-Up Cultural Strategy Taskforce No Vote for Criminals that are Serving a 3 or More Year Sentence - Increase Parliament Sitting Days from 47 Days to 90
- Reduce Ministerial Officers - Emergency Service Volunteers Exempt from ESL
- Appoint an Aboriginal Children's Commissioner - Government to Join National Redress Scheme
- Replace Economic Development Board with Economic Advisory Council saving almost $20M over 4 Years - Change ICAC Laws to Deny Ignorance as a Defence
- Set-Up South Australian Public Transport Authority - -
- Reforming Land Tax - -
- End Government Staff Lunches on Taxpayer Dollar - -
Primary Parties - Labor, Liberal, Greens, SA Best
Other Parties - Country Labor, The Nationals, Dignity Party, Liberal Democrats, Stop Population Growth Now, Shooters and Fishers Party SA, Conservatives, Child Protection Party, Advance SA, Animal Justice Party, Danig Party of Australia
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2017.09.02 21:31 mschlindwein I want to pay an unpaid speeding ticket in an unknown county in California

Hi guys,
In July 2015 I was pulled by an police officer because I was speeding (88mph in an 70mph zone). He gave me a piece of paper with my date court and the identification code of the violation. I explained to him that I was returning to Brazil (where I am originally from) in 10 days and couldn't attend court. He said that I'd have to pay for the ticket online in this case.
I don't record very well, but I called the court of the province, I think it was after the court date, and they told me I needed to pay $300 and something for the violation. At the time I didn't have the money, the person advised me to sent a fax asking to postpone the due date of the payment. I tried, but for technical issues, I couldn't connect to their fax machine, and never sent the letter. So, I just didn't pay the ticket.
I will return to the US in the beginning of the next year (probably won't go to Cali), and I'm afraid I will not be allowed in the country. I still have to get my visa (mine was just student, I need a tourist one). Will it be a problem to get a visa or enter the country if I don't pay?
And if I pay? Would it still possibly bring me problems?
The problem here is, I lost the piece of paper with the court name and the code of my violation... How can I pay that now? I was travelling from San Diego to Flagstaff (still in california).
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2017.05.18 20:46 EclecticallyMe Beginner interested in races

Hi MTB! If this isn't the right place feel free to redirect me or if I need to adjust formatting, don't post often. I haven't done a race before and was looking for some advice, know-how, and inspiration. I feel a race will keep me motivated while I learn more, look for like-minded friends, give me reason to practice new skills, and allow me to try new trails.
Bike: 2015 Trigger 3, Cannondale
Background: Male, 28, 6'2", 190lbs, active but don't lift or run often, mainly stick to riding and hiking. I am fairly new to mountain biking but feel very comfortable with the trails in my area (Tucson, AZ) and with the past trails I've ridden in Jackson Hole, WY or Frederick, MD (Watershed!). As of now I haven't joined any local MTB groups which I know will offer great advice, however I also don't have a lot of time to do group rides or meet ups. I can ride 15-20 miles of trail comfortably and easily have energy for more (my computer broke recently so I lost track of miles), and I'm not the best technical climber but I can climb well on a clear line.
Lame Reasons for hesitation: Currently my wife and I share a car and have a dog to take care of which eats into time quickly. This summer my wife will be working in CA so I need to give my dog her morning and evening exercise. My work schedule is 9am-6pm, leave 8:30am, get home 6:30pm. After work I head straight home to let the dog out and walk her. I can't take my dog biking but can run with her. I also volunteer on weekends which takes up 4 hours on either Sat or Sunday, the days being flexible. Basically I can't do long training days unless it is on the weekends or if I wake up really early.
Upcoming Races: Check out my list below in order of race date. The first race is in a few weeks and I would like to try it but don't want to kill my steam by not completing it. The others start in September which will give me more time to train and practice.
Seeking Advice: (1) Can I physically do a 6 hour race by June 3rd? My friend mentioned I can just pedal slow and take a break if I'm tired... (2) Are races worth it? I'm not a huge crowd person but do feed off the energy and can have fun. I'm more interested in expanding my skill set, speeds, and knowledge of the sport and feel like races will have the same type of folks. (3) What do I do to train? Are there any special diets or snacks that will help whilst training or during the race? Should I cross train between running, riding, and lifting? I hate swimming so that's not an option. What distances should I aim for when training. (4) Is it stupid to do 3 races so close like the ones in September? Can my body handle it? How would I train. between the varying distances? (5) What am I forgetting? Surely something!
TLDR; I'm a beginner that doubts myself, am interested in racing, would love advice on races/training!
Edit: y'all are great, seriously. I appreciate the time you took to add your comments, thank you everyone! I'm racing in September!
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2016.05.11 18:44 LVDave My second enlistment (you'd think I'd have learned from the first one)

This is a writeup of my second enlistment in the US Army. You can read the story of my first enlistment here and here.
Here I was, a 23 year old kid, having just gotten out of the Army after 3 years and 8 months. My only schooling was 2 semesters of Jr College prior to getting the "Greetings" from my draft board in August 1969, and my only Army schooling was a 6 month radar maintainance course, where I learned VERY basic electronics, enough to understand troubleshooting/changing modules in several man-packed surveillance radars, but since I'd taken electric shop in highschool all three years and gotten A's each semester. I was pretty sharp on most things electronic, so I graduated the Army school at nearly the top of the class, only one other guy a bit sharper than me beat me out..
Finding a job after the 6 months of unemployment ran out was crucial, as I was living with mom/dad and that was kind of a bore, but you did what you had to.. A friend of my dads told me about an opening at the heavy equipment yard he worked at, for a night-watchman, from midnight-8am, with the sky-high pay of a whopping $2.00/hour for 5 nights/week. I was sure NOT gonna be able to move out of the house on THAT salary.. As I recall this was the "minimum wage" back in 1973, and since the job was basically arrive at the yard at midnight, sit in the office, walk around every half-hour and punch timeclocks to show you'd been on the rounds, and fight off falling asleep. During the year or so I worked there, I read more books than I'd EVER read before in my life...I even resorted to bringing a little tv, but since the local stations went off the air at 2 am or so back then, that was kind of worthless. At least I could bring a radio and tune around and listen to some of the big 50,000watt clear-channel AM stations that came booming into San Diego back then, like KSL in Salt Lake City, KOMA in Oklahoma City and lots of others..
I finally came to the conclusion that I was not going to find anything that paid anything above minimum wage unless I did something else .. That something else turned out to be, after heavy soul-searching, going down and visiting the local Army recruiter.. Turns out the Army was looking for "prior-service" people, and had a reenlistment bonus of $5K, as I recall.. Since I'd only been out for 20 months, I qualified to skip BCT (again... YAY!! I wouldn't have reenlisted if I'd had to go thru BCT again.. (shudder)) and could choose my new MOS and assignment location after training..
Since I'd always been interested in the weatheclimate, I picked Met Observer, (edit: 93E20.. Had to look on my DD214...) with a 3 month school at Fort Sill, OK. Turned out that the only assignment locations for this MOS were either Korea or Yuma Proving Grounds, AZ.. Hmm.. I didn't really care about going overseas again, so I picked Yuma Proving Grounds, which was exceedingly nice as this was only 200 miles from San Diego via about 20 miles of switchback two land road and 180 miles of Interstate highway.
After signing all the papers, I was sent back to the Los Angeles induction station, the same one I hit in September 1969 when I was drafted. After getting sworn in again, I got an airline ticket from Los Angeles to Oklahoma City and a connecting flight to Lawton/Fort Sill.
The course I'd signed up for was the "Met Observer" course, basically teaching basic meteorology (weather) concepts, operation of meteorological test equipment (thermometers/hygrometers/windspeed-direction measurement tools), and reading weather maps/forecasts. This school was part of the US Army Artillery school at Fort Sill, and graduates of this school were assigned to provide meteorological observations in conjunction with artillery firing solutions. Since I was prior-service and an E4, I got only CQ Runner duty, whereas the E1/E2/E3s in the class got KP instead. As I recall, I never got any KP duty during the 3 months I was at Fort Sill, whereas I'd gotten it a LOT during my previous enlistment, when in Germany. Other than the fairly infrequent CQ Runner duty, the environment was somewhat akin to attending college, as the there was only one regular formation, in the early morning, along with a short PT/morning run. After this, it was off to classes for the rest of the day.
One of the other prior-service guys in my barracks had a 1969 Chrysler Newyorker he wanted to sell, as he was going to graduate and be reassigned in a couple of weeks. Since I no longer had the 1966 Mustang I bought after returning from Vietnam, due to my father selling it while I was in Germany, I needed a car.. The guy wanted $200, and after a cursory inspection (this will become apparent later WHY I missed something VERY IMPORTANT when inspecting the car), I bought the car, and since I had the upcoming weekend off, I decided to take the car out for a roadtrip up to Oklahoma City over the weekend. This being in the winter, the forecast for the area on the weekend was for possible snow and below-freezing temperatures. I woke Saturday morning early to drive the 90+ miles up to OK City via the H.E. Bailey turnpike. Since the car needed gas, I fired the beast up, and was greeted with a horrible screeching sound from under the hood. Stupidly I kept on driving, which was about a mile or so, out the main gate where there was a 24 hour gas station. About the time I got close to the gas station, I started seeing smoke coming out from under the hood. I pulled into the station, and popped the hood and the smell... Ohmygod! the smell... That sickly tortured oil smell.. By this time the screeching had stopped, and looking at the engine, I could see what had been screeching.. The fan belt, which was no longer in place, and had apparently broken and dropped off, had been the screeching noise, since the water pump was frozen SOLID.. The on-duty mechanic came out and pronounced the engine most likely dead, as it suddenly stopped running with a sickly clatter.. The mechanic opened the radiator cap and was greeted with ICE.. After a bit of inspection, he determined that apparently the previous owner had put straight WATER in the radiator vs ANY kind of anti-freeze. Since the engine had gotten warm enough to melt a bit of the ice, an anti-freeze tester showed there was NO anti-freeze in the radiatoengine, so the water pump was filled with ice and the fan belt slipped over the frozen pulley causing the screech I heard. After this, the mechanic formally pronounced the engine dead, but he offered to buy the like-new tires, faily new-ish battery, and some other stuff in the car, for $120. I hitched a ride back to the base to get the title and took a cab back to the station and completed the transaction.
I lived the next few weeks without a car, until I happened to see an ad in the local paper from one of the used car dealers in Lawton, for a 1969 VW Bug for $500. I took the shuttle bus down to check it out, and wound up putting a deposit on it, while awaiting the rest from my savings. After the rest of the money showed up, I took delivery on a grey 1969 VW Bug. During the rest of my stay in Lawton/Fort Sill, this car and I made several road-trips down into Texas and up to Oklahoma City.
One thing that sticks in my mind after all these years, was some of the stupid things 24 year old kids do.. Such as: driving up to the highest point in the area, called Mount Scott, actually the highest point in Central Oklahoma, during a severe thunderstorm, with the expectation of "seeing some really fine thunderbolts"... This trip was made by me and 3 other guys from the barracks, and sure enough, we did see some "really fine thunderbolts".. Several of which hit the parking area we were sitting in no more than a few feet away from the car, and practically deafened us from the thunder, sitting in the car with the windows rolled up (there was also a torrential rain falling at the same time)..
Another of the "stupid kid tricks" we pulled was hitting the base package store for a bunch of bottles of Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill wine, heading over to the Army Special Services boat dock on Lake Elmer Thomas, part of which was on the base, renting a boat, loading up the wine, and about 5 of us heading out onto the lake to party.. Time passes, ALL the wine is consumed, we all are passed out in the boat... More time passes, meanwhile Special Services is looking for its boat which hasn't returned by closing time. A search is commenced, and in due time, we are found, having drifted into a marshy backwater area of the lake... We are rudely awakened by the search boat, and IMMEDIATELY are enveloped in horrible pain the moment we move any part of our bodies.. The astute reader will have likely guessed that this pain is due to the massive sunburns we recieved after laying out in the boat passed out in our bathing suits for over 6 hours in the Oklahoma summer sun..
We were unceremoniously towed back to the boatdock by the search boat, and chewed out by the NCO in charge of the boatdock. Apparently we were bright red all over save where our bathing suits covered, and it was highly suggested we report to the dispensary. The drive back to the base was VERY painful, and after a visit to the dispensary, with some lotions applied and some painkillers, we were told to report to the company first-sergeant, who tore us a new asshole..
The outcome of this "stupid kid trick" was a world of pain during classes/formations for the next several days, an Article 15 by the company CO, with extra duty for two weeks for all of us.. Neither of these "stupid kid tricks" were repeated during the remainder of my assignment to Fort Sill (at least by me, that is..)
After completing and graduating from, the 3 month Met Observer course at Fort Sill OK, I processed out of the base, loaded my '69 VW Bug up with everything I owned, which filled the backseat of the little car. I got started the next morning at about 6am, and started out on the first leg of my Lawton OK to Yuma AZ road-trip. I made it from Lawton to Amarillo TX by lunchtime, just a bit over 220 miles. I stopped for gas/lunch, and after a nice relaxing sitdown at a Denny's, I got back on the road. To make a long story short, I made the next 550 miles with only 1 pit stop for gas/naturecall, in Albuqurque.
By the time I got to Flagstaff, AZ, at the end of that 550 miles, over 8 hours had passed and I was dying. My only "stop" after Albuqurque was because a New Mexico state trooper pulled me over because my backup lights were stuck on. I thanked the officer for the info and rather than him issuing me a fix-it ticket, I popped the engine cover and pulled the backup light cable off the transmission, making a temp fix for the problem. He wished me well and I was on my way again.
By the time I got close to the Arizona stateline, it was clear there was a storm brewing ahead. The last leg, from Winslow AZ to Flagstaff was done in a downpour. When I got into Flagstaff, I was running on empty, both my stomach and my gastank, as I had been driving for over 12 hours with only the hour I spent at lunch/gas in Amarillo TX, and the gas stop/nature call in Albuqurque, for a break. I needed food, a motel room, and sleep.....
Emphasis on the Food. As I came into Flagstaff, I started looking for a vacancy sign on one of the MANY mom+pop motels along Route 66 coming into town. Apparently there was some convention in town and everybody was full up. I finally did find a vacancy and wound up paying twice the normal going rate, sort of a "Because We Can" tax, as it were..
The next morning I got up fairly late, had a nice leasurely breakfast at a sit-down restaurant, and proceeded down Interstate 17 towards Phoenix. I had approximately 120 miles to reach Phoenix and then another 180 miles to Yuma, and these two legs were completed by late afternoon on my second day of this road-trip.
Since I had some leave accrued prior to the date I had to report to YPG, I decided to not stop at the base, rather just stop for some eats and gas, then continue on to San Diego, which was another 200 miles further west.
After a nice 30 day leave in San Diego, hanging out with old friends at the beach, I pointed my little VW bug east for the 200 mile drive to Yuma Proving Grounds. My orders stated I'd be assigned to the base Met Team, don't recall the unit designation after 40 some years, but the team provided weather observations/forecasts for the artillery testing programs that YPG conducted.
Yuma Proving Grounds was/is one of the largest military bases in the world. It covers over 2,000 square miles of western Arizona, and airspace up to 60,000 feet, and just north of Yuma AZ, and its western boundary comes up quite close to the Colorado river, which is the dividing line between Arizona and California. Due to the base's size, it does a large amount of the Army's test/evaluation of artillery, missles and mortars. It features the longest overland artillery range, 40 miles from firing line to impact zone. The actual base HQ/Barracks/PX/Commissary part of the base was about 26 miles from Yuma via one route and 18 miles via another route
After reporting to the base HQ and getting my assigned room in the barracks, I drove out to the base met office, which was located near the base airfield. I found I was going to be assigned on the day shift on the down-range staff. What this meant was that I would be on a team which provided met observers to ongoing programs either at the firing line or downrange at the impact zones. As I mentioned these impact zones were up to 40 miles downrange from the firing line, and many of the test programs started work at oh-dark-thirty, and if you were assigned to take met measurements at the impact zone, you had up to an hour and a half drive ahead of you to get down the fairly crappy gravel road that went out to the impact areas. If you were lucky, you were assigned to the firing line, which was about 10-15 miles from the met office. Since I was the noob, guess where I got assigned for the first few months I was there?.. All downrange work required at least two persons, so I was paired usually with somebody a bit more experienced than me. The job was semi-boring, in that you mostly stood around with the contractors and other project personnel, with your only job to take standard met observations as requested by the project management, usually every 1/2 hour, and before and after shots. These observations normally were windspeed, temperature, humidity, and any other parameters requested by project management. On occasion, a project would require upper-level wind speed/direction which would require launching radiosondes via your standard helium-filled latex weather balloons, and this required quite a bit of extra preparation before leaving for the drive downrange. This extra prep was loading a tank of helium, the portable radiosonde tracker, a box of balloons, and the normal equipment required for downrange work.
Normally, these radiosonde launches were done back at the met team office. The met team consisted of, as I recall, about 6 weather forecasters, who were mostly warrant officers, and about 30 enlisted team members, with about 3/4 on the downrange team, and the rest on shift work supporting the met team office 7/24. The office functioned as the YPG weather office, roughly equivalent to a National Weather Service (NWS) forecast office.
Generally, we had a morning formation, which normally only occurred on weekdays, and if you were scheduled to go downrange, rather than just over to the firing line, you would normally be excused from these formations, as you often had to be at the downrange location prior to the 7am morning formation. Other than this daily formation, work in the unit was pretty much like a civilian job. The officers/NCOs were a pretty laid-back bunch of people... BUT.. This would change.. More on THAT later...
I stayed on the downrange team for about a year, and became pretty familiar with the close to 40 mile long gravel road that led to the several impact areas we usually worked at. All along the road there were turnoffs leading north to various impact areas, and depending on the range of the artillery round/missle/whatEVER they were testing, we might be sited at one of the various impact areas at 10/20/30 miles downrange. Perhaps only 10% of the trips downrange did I ever have to go the full 40 miles downrange. Most of the time, it was one of the 10 or 20 mile downrange impact areas that we were tasked to support.
I recall one of the times I had to go all the way to the end of the road, as it were, was a project that required winds-aloft/radiosonde support and we had to be onsite at 5am.. My teammate and I started getting ready to go at 1am, to make absolutely sure we'd be onsite by 5am. Since things went smoothly and Murphy was apparently still asleep, we made it to the impact area by 3:45am. We checked in by two-way radio as arrived, and since we had about an hour to kill before the required onsite time, we drove up a road to a small hill nearby, and damn if you couldn't see the glow of the lights of the city of Phoenix about 60 miles away, along with the Milkyway stretched across the sky, as it was still pitch dark. Which was pretty awesome, since, by highway, Phoenix was nearly 180 miles away.
As it was, none of the contractor personnel showed up till nearly 5:30am... We were required to do surface/radiosonde measurements every half hour until the project stopped for the day at noon. Packing up and heading back to the office made for a nice 15 hour day... Fortuantly these LONG days were relatively infrequent..
After my year on the downrange team, I was assigned to work in the forecast office, which was staffed 24/7, and those assigned to the forecast office were on shift work, and by decree by the team CO, were exempt from most formations. Since I was replacing someone who transferred out of the unit, I wound up on the graveyard shift, midnight to 8am. This actually was pretty cool, as the schedule was written such that you got every OTHER weekend off, of course that also meant you had to work on the other weekend too.. It worked out such that on the weekend you had off, you got off at 8am on Thursday morning, and didn't have to be back to work till late Sunday night/Monday morning at midnight, thus you got a 4 day weekend every other weekend, which pretty much made up for the other weekend you worked.
Since my family/friends were in San Diego, a mere 200 miles away, and I'd pretty much go there every weekend I was off, I'd get off work at 8am, zip back to the barracks, change clothes, and gas up the car and head over to San Diego, usually getting there by noon. Often I'd skip sleeping until perhaps some time early Friday morning.
All these trips to San Diego were wearing down my little VW Bug, and since I'd seen the new VW Rabbits advertised on TV, I made a trip down to the Yuma VW dealer to check one out.. A smooth talking salesman talked me into a nice little brand new yellow 1975 VW Rabbit, for an out-the-door price of a bit over $3,000, with them giving me $400 trade-in on the VW bug, and financing the rest for 24 months at $114/mo. Since CB radio was becoming the BIG thing then, I bought a CB and installed it in the car and became the "Yellow Rabbit" as a handle, figuring it would be really handy on the highway with all the trips to San Diego I'd be doing.
After only having the Rabbit for about 3 months, I had just left the PX on the Marine base near the Yuma airport, and was driving down the highway between the base entrance and downtown Yuma. I'd just stopped at a stop light and was speeding back up to the speed limit, when out of a side driveway comes this big pickup truck RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME... I barely had time to slam on the brakes and crank the wheel hard to the left and skid into the truck at about a 45 degree angle. The impact pushed the sidemounted engine into the passenger compartment. Since the speed limit on this stretch of US 80 was 45 mph, had I not just stopped at a stoplight, and only gotten back up to about 35mph when the jerk pulled out in front of me, I'd have probably gotten more injuries than I did. The highway patrol who appeared about 5 min after the accident took me to the base dispensary at the Marine base, and I told them I felt fine, just my left hand, that had been holding the steering wheel when it abruptly jerked the right on impact, felt a little sore, and the seat belt kinda made my ribs a bit sore. I called a friend in Yuma, who drove me back to the base.
I found out the next morning from the Army medics that I had a broken metacarpal bone in my left hand, and the medics put a plaster cast on my arm from about 1/2 way up my fingers all the way up to my elbow... Funny, it never hurt until they put the cast on, then it ached/itched like you would NOT believe... I found out later, the kid driving the truck, which was his fathers, was stoned out of his mind. Funny.. I had a feeling that would be the case since the kid acted really weird while we were waiting for the cops to show up...
The insurance company totaled the car, and after a call from the base legal assistance officer, paid the total owed on the car, whereas they initially only wanted to pay its "depreciated value", which of course, was a LOT less than what I owed on it, despite my often making two payments/month on it. This of course, was NOT my insurance company who was paying, rather the "stoners" father's insurance company. It would have been fun to be a fly on the wall listening to that phone call...
Since I now needed wheels again, I hitched a ride into Yuma, with the intention of buying another Rabbit, since I was really impressed with my first one. I went back to the VW dealer and found that the great salesman I bought the first Rabbit from had moved over to the Chevrolet dealer. So I walked over to the Chevy dealer, just down the road from the VW dealer. Upon seeing me, the salesman asked what happened to my Rabbit.. I told him and he said "I guess you need another car then..." I answered in the affirmative, and asked me what I was interested in. I told him I really liked the Rabbit, but I'd also always wanted a truck, though NOT one of the monster trucks like the one that ended my Rabbit.. He showed me this yellow 1975 Chevy LUV truck, which was actually a cross-branded Mazda truck. The truck was pretty tricked out, with air conditioning and deluxe wheels. Since the 1976 model year cars were coming in, this 1975 was priced to move. The price was right, and after a short test-drive, I decided to go for it..
I'm gonna fast forward things here. Its now almost exactly a year since I bought the Chevy LUV pickup, and after a years worth of driving either from Yuma to San Diego and back OR Yuma to Phoenix and back every other weekend, I'd put close to 32,000 miles on this truck. You should realize when I bought it, it had less than 100 miles of test-drives, etc. Yes, you CAN put 32,000 miles on a car in ONE year, if you understand that: the drive to/from San Diego was 400 miles, then consider that during said weekend, going up to Los Angeles or the mountains east of San Diego or any number of other destinations puts another few hundred miles on the car, and multiply this times about 26 weekends in a year that I didn't work.
I ALSO discovered, to my dismay, that the "airconditioning" this car had would cause the engine to overheat if the temperature was such that you'd WANT the a/c turned on. And of course, Yuma, in the summertime, is usually well over 100F during the day. I took the car into the dealership so many times to get this addressed they began to know me quite well.. Of course in the winter, the a/c running didn't cause the engine to overheat, nosirree... Finally, right after a year with this truck, I finally had enough, went back to the VW dealership, worked out a not-too-bad a deal to get rid of the truck and get a 1976 Rabbit, white in color, this time. Since my 1975 Rabbit purchase, the sticker price had gone from $2995 to $3333 (Today, you can multiply those prices by a factor of 10 or more!!).
I really didn't keep track of how many additional miles I put on my new 76 Rabbit before my enlistment was up, but I continued to make bi-weekly trips to either San Diego or Phoenix, mostly San Diego. I found I really liked the graveyard shift at the met office, not only because of the bi-weekly 4 day weekends, but also the peace and quiet. The job entailed doing hourly readings of the met instruments outside, logging the results/values into a logbook. This took around 15 minutes per hour. The rest of the time, I usually pulled my car up next to a side door and sat in the car listening to the radio. Along about 5am, I'd have to get the latest weather maps off the several weather fax machines we had, and post them for the forecasters who usually started arriving at 6am. It also was the duty of the graveyard person to get the coffee pot going for the rest of the staff..
I'll repeat that the officers/staff were pretty great people, but NOW is when that all changed.. Word came down we were getting a new CO, straight from HQ at White Sands New Mexico. Our old CO had been a first Looie, and a pretty good egg, but he was being reassigned to Korea, and our new CO, would be a Captain. As I mentioned earlier, the policy under our old CO was if you were on shift work, you didn't have to make formations when you were off duty.. Of course, you did attend the ones that happened at 7am on the days you worked..
First inkling of trouble: New CO arrives on Thursday afternoon of one of my off weekends. Said new CO decides he wants EVERYBODY to attend his formation on Friday morning at SIX-AM.. Since its my weekend off, and I'm 200 miles away in San Diego, I have NO idea of this.. First Sargeant tells new CO that several of the shiftworkers (me and the day/swing shift guys) will probably not be there.. New CO tells Top "I DON'T CARE I WANT EVERYBODY HERE!!!" ... Of course, I'm the only one that wasn't around the base to get the word, so when I appear Monday morning after working from midnight to 8am, I get called out in formation and told to report the CO (whom I've never even seen, or even known he was here yet).. I Walk to his office after the formation, and this little bandy rooster with railroad tracks on his collar starts screaming at me... WHY DID I MISS HIS FORMATION??? DO I WANT AN ARTICLE 15?? Top comes in and explains WHY I wasn't there, and this little asshole says that "This shiftwork crap is gonna STOP.. NOW!!!" EVERYBODY WILL ATTEND ALL FORMATIONS NO EXCUSES!"
It was at this point I realized there was likely NO WAY IN HELL I was going to stay in the Army for 20 years, like I'd considered several times. The scuttlebutt around the team was that actually the base CO, a bird colonel, had a policy that anybody on defined shiftwork on YPG would only attend formations during their workhours.. Later the First Sargeant verified this was indeed the case and applied to tenant units also, like the met team was. A little birdy who happened to run into the base CO at the commissary happened to whisper in the colonel's ear about how the met team's new CO must not be aware of said colonel's policy on shiftworkers. This apparently did the trick as "The Little Captain" must have rescinded his order, as we were told by the First Sargeant that shiftworkers once again only had to attend formations during working hours.
Let me describe this new CO.. REGULAR ARMY does not even come CLOSE to this guy.. When I say he was small, I mean, I doubt he was much over 5 feet tall.. The general consensus around the team was he was another Napoleon... Even the first sargeant chuckled when the guy walked by. He was CRAZY about barracks inspections, started doing them weekly, and at first, expecting shiftworkers to be present during these inspections. After about 2 months, the first sergeant managed to tame him somewhat.
His formations were also, at first, uniform inspections and 15 minutes of PT. We halfway expected him to put on a pair of white gloves for the inspections. The guy was addicted to running, and you could see him nearly everyday running on the access road between the main base and the team office, in headband/shorts/running shoes. His health craze made him require EVERYBODY to go to the dispensary and get weighed. Anyone who was overweight or even CLOSE to being over the Army standard weight was required (by him) to go get weighed EACH WEEK until they got down well below the Army standard. I'd always been a husky lad, and always trended towards the top end of what I should weigh.. This really showed me that my future was NOT in the US Army.
We had quite a bit of excitement at the Met Team during September 1976. Its name was Hurricane Kathleen. Being a California boy, I'd never been exposed to a hurricane, but that lack of exposure was corrected for me by Kathleen. Our forecasters were on the edge of their seats when Tropical Storm Kathleen came shooting up the Gulf of California, then becoming Hurricane Kathleen. The forecasters were making bets with the National Weather Service forecasters down in the Yuma office, on WHERE the eye of the hurricane would pass. Oddly enough, neither group of forecasters won the bet, as this hurricane never developed an "eye".. What it DID do, however, was put out winds up to nearly 80mph and torrential rains. During the passage of the majority of the hurricane, the base was locked down, and we were required to stay whereever we were at the time. I happened to be at the office at the time, and the building, being of wooden frame, covered by aluminum siding, screamed like a banshee in the wind. You could barely see the parking lot because of the amount of rain falling. As I recall, we were stuck in the office for nearly 3 hours while the hurricane passed over. Our raingauges, that normally saw rainfall in tenTHs of inches, suddenly were showing nearly THREE inches in around three hours.. All in all, it was merely a cool way to pass the day for us, but other parts of Arizona/Calfornia/Mexico got the shit kicked out of them. For instance, the main highway between Yuma and the California Imperial Valley and San Diego was Interstate 8. Because of Hurricane Kathleen, and the estimated 20 foot wall of rain water that came rushing down the canyon near Ocotillo, California and Mountain Springs grade, the highway was completely washed out, cutting access to San Diego. During the nearly 3 weeks it took to get one lane each way back in service, the only way to get to San Diego from the Imperial Valley was up to Indio, then over to Los Angeles and then down to San Diego.
I'd seriously considered the retirement in 20 thing, since I would have over 8 years in service at the end of this enlistment, but after running into this little jerk of a CO, and considering that the Vietnam war was now over, and its a truism that when a military doesn't have a war to fight, chickenshit stuff like this CO becomes more common.
Time came for my ETS, and I got called into the "little captains" office and asked about whether I'd considered reenlisting.. I told him "yes, I have considered it, and NO I don't intend to"... He asked me if I knew that the 20 months I was out between enlistments counted towards time-in-service.. I told him yes I did know that..He thought I ought to reconsider, since I had close to 10 years towards 20 years.. I told him "Just not interested..."
About 2 weeks later, I got my 3rd DD214 (Got one when I reenlisted in Vietnam, got the second one when I got out in 1973) and pointed my VW Rabbit towards San Diego and home... hoping the job market was better now, 3 years later. HINT: It was.. Thanks to an old friend who worked for a LARGE defense contractor in San Diego, I applied for and was hired as a component level electronics tech and stayed there for a bit over 5 years..
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2016.01.17 04:09 no_more_luck Running Road Trip - Las Cruces NM to Phoenix AZ

Hey Runnit,
I'm on a break from work, traveling cross country, and I want to run with you!
About the trip/runs: I'm traveling cross country with my better half (who sometimes rides a bike alongside for the runs). We're taking a looping route from New England through the Southern States and up the Pacific Coast. I'd like to run with anyone in the area who is interested - and if you just want to suggest a route, that's fine too! Any run is fine, from local flair, a speed workout, to massive mileage. Please feel free to say something - you know the area better than I do!
Tomorrow we are making our way from El Paso TX to Las Cruces, NM. Please let me know if you'd like to jump in for a run or recommend a route! We're headed to the Organ Mountains, but can meet up anywhere.
Monday the destination is Tuscon AZ and Phoenix AZ - it's a daily double! If you are free to jump in for a run, or have a great route in mind, please say so - everything is welcome!
Additionally, a huge public thank you to ModusPwnins, Barnaby_McFoo, and daveydogwood who have all joined up for local runs with me, and provided great advice on what to do (and what not to do) while visiting the area.
The most recent trip update I have is that we have only just left the gorgeous corner of Texas known as Big Bend. The area was so incredible that we cut San Diego out of our trip to spend extra time (it was also a hastily planned detour, and so worth it). Running destination wise, I absolutely wrecked myself racing up Emory Peak and spent that evening relaxing in a hot spring. Highly recommend!
The remaining (and presently up-to-date route) goes:
El Paso TX - Las Cruces NM - Tuscon AZ - Phoenix AZ - Los Angeles CA - San Jose CA - San Francisco CA - Portland OR via Pacific Coast Hwy - Seattle WA and area - Eugene OR - Carson City NV - Death Valley CA (so excited about this) - Las Vegas NV - St George UT - Grand Canyon AZ - Flagstaff AZ - Albuquerque NM - Amarillo TX - Oklahoma City OK - Little Rock AK - Memphis TN - Nashville TN - Greensboro NC - Richmond VA - Washington DC - Philadelphia PA - New York City NY
Times/Dates aren't set in stone, and destinations are subject to some modifications, but please shout out if it's something you want to jump in on or have a recommendation for.
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2016.01.10 23:19 no_more_luck Running Road Trip - Houston to El Paso

Hey Runnit,
I'm on a break from work, traveling cross country, and I want to run with you!
About the trip: This is a cross country road trip with my girlfriend (who sometimes rides a bike alongside) in which we're passing through a southern route down from New England, out to the West Coast, and making our way up to the Pacific Northwest and back over the next couple months.
About a run: I am looking to run anything with anyone - massive miles, speed work, or a fun route showcasing local flavor. I'm looking to run in every state we pass through. If you aren't interested in running but want to recommend a route, that's welcome too!
Today into tomorrow we are making our way from Baton Rogue to Houston TX (and finding a place to camp the night). Please let me know if you'd like to jump in for a run or recommend a route! Quick shout to daveydogwood who has already reached out about logging some miles together.
Tuesday the destination is San Antonio TX, which I'm very excited about after hearing about it from the RD of the local marathon. If you're interested as therredinthesky had previously mentioned, send me your thoughts on a route or recommendations for there as well!
Tuesday night we'll be camping in San Antonio (or somewhere along the route to El Paso), and Wednesday we'll be driving. I plan to jump out and run at least one local road along the way. Definite El Paso run availability is Thursday - please join if you can, or suggest a route if you're familiar with the area!
Additionally, a huge public thank you to ModusPwnins and Barnaby_McFoo who both had great routes we ran together and provided additional recommendations for what to do in the area which worked out really well.
The remaining (and presently up-to-date route) goes:
Houston TX - San Antonio TX - El Paso TX - Las Cruces NM - Tuscon AZ - Phoenix AZ - San Diego CA - Los Angeles CA - San Jose CA - San Francisco CA - Portland OR via Pacific Coast Hwy - Seattle WA and area - Eugene OR - Carson City NV - Death Valley CA (so excited about this) - Las Vegas NV - St George UT - Grand Canyon AZ - Flagstaff AZ - Albuquerque NM - Amarillo TX - Oklahoma City OK - Little Rock AK - Memphis TN - Nashville TN - Greensboro NC - Richmond VA - Washington DC - Philadelphia PA - New York City NY
Times/Dates aren't set in stone, and destinations are subject to some modifications, but please shout out if it's something you want to jump in on or have a recommendation for.
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2016.01.07 15:24 no_more_luck Running Road Trip - Tallahassee to New Orleans

Hey Runnit,
I'm on a break from work, traveling cross country, and I want to run with you!
About the trip: This is a cross country road trip with my girlfriend (who sometimes rides a bike alongside) in which we're passing through a southern route down from New England, out to the West Coast, and making our way up to the Pacific Northwest and back over the next couple months.
About a run: I am looking to run anything with anyone - massive miles, speed work, or a fun route showcasing local flavor. I'm looking to run in every state we pass through. If you aren't interested in running but want to recommend a route, that's welcome too!
Today we are making our way to Tallahassee FL, then camping in Mississippi (around the national forest). Please let me know if you'd like to jump in for a run or recommend a route!
Tomorrow the destination is Mobile AL then proceeding in to New Orleans, which I'm very excited about. If you're interested, send me your thoughts on a route or recommendations for there as well!
The remaining (and presently up-to-date route) goes:
Tallahassee FL - Mobile AL - New Orleans LA - Baton Rouge LA - Houston TX - Corpus Christi TX - San Antonio TX - El Paso TX - Las Cruces NM - Tuscon AZ - Phoenix AZ - San Diego CA - Los Angeles CA - San Jose CA - San Francisco CA - Portland OR via Pacific Coast Hwy - Seattle WA and area - Eugene OR - Carson City NV - Death Valley CA (so excited about this) - Las Vegas NV - St George UT - Grand Canyon AZ - Flagstaff AZ - Albuquerque NM - Amarillo TX - Oklahoma City OK - Little Rock AK - Memphis TN - Nashville TN - Greensboro NC - Richmond VA - Washington DC - Philadelphia PA - New York City NY
Times/Dates aren't set in stone, and destinations are subject to some modifications, but please shout out if it's something you want to jump in on or have a recommendation for.
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2016.01.05 16:04 no_more_luck Running Road Trip: Raleigh, NC and Charleston, SC

Hey Runnit,
I'm on a break from work, traveling cross country, and I want to run with you!
About the trip: This is a cross country road trip with my girlfriend (who sometimes rides a bike alongside) in which we're passing through a southern route down from New England, out to the West Coast, and making our way up to the Pacific Northwest and back over the next couple months.
About a run: I am down for anything - massive miles, speed work, or a fun route showcasing local flavor. I'm looking to run in every state we pass through. If you aren't interested in running but want to recommend a route, that's welcome too!
Today we are in Raleigh NC and Chapel Hill enjoying some nice 28° F breezes, and I am wondering if anyone wants to get together and knock out a few miles!
Tomorrow the destination is Charleston, SC, so send me your recommendations or interest there as well!
Edit: YourShoesUntied recommended a route overview.
The remaining (and presently up-to-date route) goes:
Charleston SC - Savannah GA- Jacksonville FL - Orlanda FL - Miami FL - St. Petersburg FL - Tallahassee FL - Mobile AL - New Orleans LA - Baton Rouge LA - Houston TX - Corpus Christi TX - San Antonio TX - El Paso TX - Las Cruces NM - Tuscon AZ - Phoenix AZ - San Diego CA - Los Angeles CA - San Jose CA - San Francisco CA - Portland OR via Pacific Coast Hwy - Seattle WA and area - Eugene OR - Carson City NV - Death Valley CA (so excited about this) - Las Vegas NV - St George UT - Grand Canyon AZ - Flagstaff AZ - Albuquerque NM - Amarillo TX - Oklahoma City OK - Little Rock AK - Memphis TN - Nashville TN - Greensboro NC - Richmond VA - Washington DC - Philadelphia PA - New York City NY
Times/Dates aren't set in stone, and destinations are subject to some modifications, but please shout out if it's something you want to jump in on or have a recommendation for.
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2015.03.11 00:17 LVDave Adventures of a 1969 Draftee, Part 8-ReUp Continued..

After completing and graduating from, the 3 month Met Observer course at Fort Sill OK, I processed out of the base, loaded my '69 VW Bug up with everything I owned, which filled the backseat of the little car. I got started the next morning at about 6am, and started out on the first leg of my Lawton OK to Yuma AZ road-trip. I made it from Lawton to Amarillo TX by lunchtime, just a bit over 220 miles. I stopped for gas/lunch, and after a nice relaxing sitdown at a Denny's, I got back on the road. To make a long story short, I made the next 550 miles with only 1 pit stop for gas/naturecall, in Albuqurque. By the time I got to Flagstaff, AZ, at the end of that 550 miles, over 8 hours had passed and I was dying. My only "stop" after Albuqurque was because a New Mexico state trooper pulled me over because my backup lights were stuck on. I thanked the officer for the info and rather than him issuing me a fix-it ticket, I popped the engine cover and pulled the backup light cable off the transmission, making a temp fix for the problem. He wished me well and I was on my way again. By the time I got close to the Arizona stateline, it was clear there was a storm brewing ahead. The last leg, from Winslow AZ to Flagstaff was done in a downpour.
When I got into Flagstaff, I was running on empty, both my stomach and my gastank, as I had been driving for over 12 hours with only the hour I spent at lunch/gas in Amarillo TX, and the gas stop/nature call in Albuqurque, for a break. I needed food, a motel room, and sleep..... Emphasis on the Food. As I came into Flagstaff, I started looking for a vacancy sign on one of the MANY mom+pop motels along Route 66 coming into town. Apparently there was some convention in town and everybody was full up. I finally did find a vacancy and wound up paying twice the normal going rate, sort of a "Because We Can" tax, as it were..
The next morning I got up fairly late, had a nice leasurely breakfast at a sit-down restaurant, and proceeded down Interstate 17 towards Phoenix. I had approximately 120 miles to reach Phoenix and then another 180 miles to Yuma, and these two legs were completed by late afternoon on my second day of this road-trip.
Since I had some leave accrued prior to the date I had to report to YPG, I decided to not stop at the base, rather just stop for some eats and gas, then continue on to San Diego, which was another 200 miles further west.
After a nice 30 day leave in San Diego, hanging out with old friends at the beach, I pointed my little VW bug east for the 200 mile drive to Yuma Proving Grounds. My orders stated I'd be assigned to the base Met Team, don't recall the unit designation after 40 some years, but the team provided weather observations/forecasts for the artillery testing programs that YPG conducted.
Yuma Proving Grounds was/is one of the largest military bases in the world. It covers over 2,000 square miles of western Arizona, and airspace up to 60,000 feet, and just north of Yuma AZ, and its western boundary comes up quite close to the Colorado river, which is the dividing line between Arizona and California. Due to the base's size, it does a large amount of the Army's test/evaluation of artillery, missles and mortars. It features the longest overland artillery range, 40 miles from firing line to impact zone. The actual base HQ/Barracks/PX/Commissary part of the base was about 26 miles from Yuma via one route and 18 miles via another. Here's Wikipedia's take on the base
After reporting to the base HQ and getting my assigned room in the barracks, I drove out to the base met office, which was located near the base airfield. I found I was going to be assigned on the day shift on the down-range staff. What this meant was that I would be on a team which provided met observers to ongoing programs either at the firing line or downrange at the impact zones. As I mentioned these impact zones were up to 40 miles downrange from the firing line, and many of the test programs started work at oh-dark-thirty, and if you were assigned to take met measurements at the impact zone, you had up to an hour and a half drive ahead of you to get down the fairly crappy gravel road that went out to the impact areas. If you were lucky, you were assigned to the firing line, which was about 10-15 miles from the met office. Since I was the noob, guess where I got assigned for the first few months I was there?.. All downrange work required at least two persons, so I was paired usually with somebody a bit more experienced than me. The job was semi-boring, in that you mostly stood around with the contractors and other project personnel, with your only job to take standard met observations as requested by the project management, usually every 1/2 hour, and before and after shots. These observations normally were windspeed, temperature, humidity, and any other parameters requested by project management. On occasion, a project would require upper-level wind speed/direction which would require launching radiosondes via your standard helium-filled latex weather balloons, and this required quite a bit of extra preparation before leaving for the drive downrange. This extra prep was loading a tank of helium, the portable radiosonde tracker, a box of balloons, and the normal equipment required for downrange work. Normally, these radiosonde launches were done back at the met team office.
The met team consisted of, as I recall, about 6 weather forecasters, who were mostly warrant officers, and about 30 enlisted team members, with about 3/4 on the downrange team, and the rest on shift work supporting the met team office 7/24. The office functioned as the YPG weather office, roughly equivalent to a National Weather Service (NWS) forecast office.
Generally, we had a morning formation, which normally only occurred on weekdays, and if you were scheduled to go downrange, rather than just over to the firing line, you would normally be excused from these formations, as you often had to be at the downrange location prior to the 7am morning formation. Other than this daily formation, work in the unit was pretty much like a civilian job. The officers/NCOs were a pretty laid-back bunch of people... BUT.. This would change.. More on THAT later...
I stayed on the downrange team for about a year, and became pretty familiar with the close to 40 mile long gravel road that led to the several impact areas we usually worked at. All along the road there were turnoffs leading north to various impact areas, and depending on the range of the artillery round/missle/whatEVER they were testing, we might be sited at one of the various impact areas at 10/20/30 miles downrange. Perhaps only 10% of the trips downrange did I ever have to go the full 40 miles downrange. Most of the time, it was one of the 10 or 20 mile downrange impact areas that we were tasked to support.
I recall one of the times I had to go all the way to the end of the road, as it were, was a project that required winds-aloft/radiosonde support and we had to be onsite at 5am.. My teammate and I started getting ready to go at 1am, to make absolutely sure we'd be onsite by 5am. Since things went smoothly and Murphy was apparently still asleep, we made it to the impact area by 3:45am. We checked in by two-way radio as arrived, and since we had about an hour to kill before the required onsite time, we drove up a road to a small hill nearby, and damn if you couldn't see the glow of the lights of the city of Phoenix about 60 miles away, along with the Milkyway stretched across the sky, as it was still pitch dark. Which was pretty awesome, since, by highway, Phoenix was nearly 180 miles away. As it was, none of the contractor personnel showed up till nearly 5:30am... We were required to do surface/radiosonde measurements every half hour until the project stopped for the day at noon. Packing up and heading back to the office made for a nice 15 hour day... Fortuantly these LONG days were relatively infrequent..
After my year on the downrange team, I was assigned to work in the forecast office, which was staffed 24/7, and those assigned to the forecast office were on shift work, and by decree by the team CO, were exempt from most formations. Since I was replacing someone who transferred out of the unit, I wound up on the graveyard shift, midnight to 8am. This actually was pretty cool, as the schedule was written such that you got every OTHER weekend off, of course that also meant you had to work on the other weekend too.. It worked out such that on the weekend you had off, you got off at 8am on Thursday morning, and didn't have to be back to work till late Sunday night/Monday morning at midnight, thus you got a 4 day weekend every other weekend, which pretty much made up for the other weekend you worked.
Since my family/friends were in San Diego, a mere 200 miles away, and I'd pretty much go there every weekend I was off, I'd get off work at 8am, zip back to the barracks, change clothes, and gas up the car and head over to San Diego, usually getting there by noon. Often I'd skip sleeping until perhaps some time early Friday morning.
All these trips to San Diego were wearing down my little VW Bug, and since I'd seen the new VW Rabbits advertised on TV, I made a trip down to the Yuma VW dealer to check one out.. A smooth talking salesman talked me into a nice little brand new yellow 1975 VW Rabbit, for an out-the-door price of a bit over $3,000, with them giving me $400 trade-in on the VW bug, and financing the rest for 24 months at $114/mo. Since CB radio was becoming the BIG thing then, I bought a CB and installed it in the car and became the "Yellow Rabbit" as a handle, figuring it would be really handy on the highway with all the trips to San Diego I'd be doing.
After only having the Rabbit for about 3 months, I had just left the PX on the Marine base near the Yuma airport, and was driving down the highway between the base entrance and downtown Yuma. I'd just stopped at a stop light and was speeding back up to the speed limit, when out of a side driveway comes this big pickup truck RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME... I barely had time to slam on the brakes and crank the wheel hard to the left and skid into the truck at about a 45 degree angle. The impact pushed the sidemounted engine into the passenger compartment. Since the speed limit on this stretch of US 80 was 45 mph, had I not just stopped at a stoplight, and only gotten back up to about 35mph when the jerk pulled out in front of me, I'd have probably gotten more injuries than I did. The highway patrol who appeared about 5 min after the accident took me to the base dispensary at the Marine base, and I told them I felt fine, just my left hand, that had been holding the steering wheel when it abruptly jerked the right on impact, felt a little sore, and the seat belt kinda made my ribs a bit sore. I called a friend in Yuma, who drove me back to the base. I found out the next morning from the Army medics that I had a broken metacarpal bone in my left hand, and the medics put a plaster cast on my arm from about 1/2 way up my fingers all the way up to my elbow... Funny, it never hurt until they put the cast on, then it ached/itched like you would NOT believe... I found out later, the kid driving the truck, which was his fathers, was stoned out of his mind.. Funny.. I had a feeling that would be the case since the kid acted really weird while we were waiting for the cops to show up...
The insurance company totaled the car, and after a call from the base legal assistance officer, paid the total owed on the car, whereas they initially only wanted to pay its "depreciated value", which of course, was a LOT less than what I owed on it, despite my often making two payments/month on it. This of course, was NOT my insurance company who was paying, rather the "stoners" father's insurance company. It would have been fun to be a fly on the wall listening to that phone call...
(Damn Reddit and its goofy 15,000 character limit in a post....)
More coming up in Part 9!!
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2015.02.17 23:38 JOSHardson My wife & I took a tour through the American west. We took 9 days & 4500 miles to hit 10 states.

The Route
The trip is documented in this photo album, but I'll also post the travel notes here for those not interested in scrolling through 99 photos. It was easily the best vacation of my life and I would recommend the experience to everyone. The only drawback I've experienced is that it can become addicting.
I have a ton of gopro footage I've yet to edit together, but hopefully I'll get that done one day and share it on the internet too.
Day 1 - Saturday, September 6, 2014.
Dallas, TX - Lockhart Smokehouse - BBQ restaurant. Dude, Sweet Chocolate Shop.
Dublin, TX - Old Doc’s Soda Shop/Dublin Dr. Pepper Museum - got to make our own sodas.
Roswell, NM
Miles travelled: 987
States visited: MS, TN, AR, TX, NM
Day 2 - Sunday, September 7
White Sands National Monument
Albuquerque, NM - Breaking Bad filming locations - Pinkman residence, A-1 Car Wash, White Residence, Hank and Marie’s house The Candy Lady - candy shop that created the blue candy used for meth in Breaking Bad (They had some pretty awesome fudge!)
Miles travelled: 397
States visited: NM
Day 3 - Monday, September 8
Petrified Forest National Park
Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest
Tonto National Forest
Payson, AZ - Pizza Factory - AMAZING pizza and breadsticks
Phoenix, AZ - Sidebar (laid-back night club)
Miles travelled: 447
States visited: NM, AZ
Day 4 - Tuesday, September 9
Scottsdale, AZ - Octane Raceway - high-speed go karts
Las Vegas, NV - Drove down the strip. The Griddle Cafe - comically HUGE and delicious pancakes. SLS Hotel (our favorite hotel of the whole trip).
Miles travelled: 324
States visited: AZ, NV
Day 5 - Wednesday, September 10
Las Vegas, NV - Gold & Silver Pawn - the shop from Pawn Stars. Toy Shack - awesome toy store in the Fremont Road District. Beef Jerky Store - a store with literally every kind of jerky you can imagine. Heart Attack Grill - just Google it. Pinball Hall of Fame - a few hundred pinball machines, some dating back to the 1920s.
Flagstaff, AZ
Miles travelled: 261
States visited: NV, AZ
Day 6 - Thursday, September 11
Coconino National Forest
Kaibab National Forest
Grand Canyon
Horseshoe Bend
Monument Valley (just inside Utah)
Moab, UT
Miles travelled: 420
States visited: AZ, UT
Day 7 - Friday, September 12
Arches National Park
Vail, CO
Miles travelled: 294
States visited: UT, CO
Day 8 - Saturday, September 13
White River National Forest
Pike National Forest
Hoosier Pass/Continental Divide (elevation 11,542)
Fairplay, CO - in south Park County, some funny South Park stuff
Garden of the Gods
Colorado Springs, CO The Airplane Restaurant - AMAZING sweet potato fries
Raton, NM - saw hundreds of antelope
Amarillo, TX - The Big Texan Steak Ranch
Miles Travelled: 528
States visited: CO, NM, TX
Day 9 - Sunday, September 14
Cadillac Ranch
Shamrock, TX - Conoco Tower & U-Drop Inn - a service station built in 1936
Arcadia, OK - Pop’s Soda Ranch - a restaurant with hundreds of crazy types of sodas
Miles travelled: 774
States visited: TX, OK, AR, TN, MS
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2015.02.13 15:11 JOSHardson My wife & I took a tour through the American west. We took 9 days and 4500 miles to hit 10 states. Best vacation of my life.

The Route
The trip is documented in this photo album, but I'll also post the travel notes here for those not interested in scrolling through 99 photos. It was easily the best vacation of my life and I would recommend the experience to everyone. The only drawback I've experienced is that it can become addicting.
I have a ton of gopro footage I've yet to edit together, but hopefully I'll get that done one day and share it on the internet too.
Day 1 - Saturday, September 6, 2014.
Dallas, TX - Lockhart Smokehouse - BBQ restaurant. Dude, Sweet Chocolate Shop.
Dublin, TX - Old Doc’s Soda Shop/Dublin Dr. Pepper Museum - got to make our own sodas.
Roswell, NM
Miles travelled: 987
States visited: MS, TN, AR, TX, NM
Day 2 - Sunday, September 7
White Sands National Monument
Albuquerque, NM - Breaking Bad filming locations - Pinkman residence, A-1 Car Wash, White Residence, Hank and Marie’s house The Candy Lady - candy shop that created the blue candy used for meth in Breaking Bad (They had some pretty awesome fudge!)
Miles travelled: 397
States visited: NM
Day 3 - Monday, September 8
Petrified Forest National Park
Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest
Tonto National Forest
Payson, AZ - Pizza Factory - AMAZING pizza and breadsticks
Phoenix, AZ - Sidebar (laid-back night club)
Miles travelled: 447
States visited: NM, AZ
Day 4 - Tuesday, September 9
Scottsdale, AZ - Octane Raceway - high-speed go karts
Las Vegas, NV - Drove down the strip. The Griddle Cafe - comically HUGE and delicious pancakes. SLS Hotel (our favorite hotel of the whole trip).
Miles travelled: 324
States visited: AZ, NV
Day 5 - Wednesday, September 10
Las Vegas, NV - Gold & Silver Pawn - the shop from Pawn Stars. Toy Shack - awesome toy store in the Fremont Road District. Beef Jerky Store - a store with literally every kind of jerky you can imagine. Heart Attack Grill - just Google it. Pinball Hall of Fame - a few hundred pinball machines, some dating back to the 1920s.
Flagstaff, AZ
Miles travelled: 261
States visited: NV, AZ
Day 6 - Thursday, September 11
Coconino National Forest
Kaibab National Forest
Grand Canyon
Horseshoe Bend
Monument Valley (just inside Utah)
Moab, UT
Miles travelled: 420
States visited: AZ, UT
Day 7 - Friday, September 12
Arches National Park
Vail, CO
Miles travelled: 294
States visited: UT, CO
Day 8 - Saturday, September 13
White River National Forest
Pike National Forest
Hoosier Pass/Continental Divide (elevation 11,542)
Fairplay, CO - in south Park County, some funny South Park stuff
Garden of the Gods
Colorado Springs, CO The Airplane Restaurant - AMAZING sweet potato fries
Raton, NM - saw hundreds of antelope
Amarillo, TX - The Big Texan Steak Ranch
Miles Travelled: 528
States visited: CO, NM, TX
Day 9 - Sunday, September 14
Cadillac Ranch
Shamrock, TX - Conoco Tower & U-Drop Inn - a service station built in 1936
Arcadia, OK - Pop’s Soda Ranch - a restaurant with hundreds of crazy types of sodas
Miles travelled: 774
States visited: TX, OK, AR, TN, MS
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2014.12.10 19:33 sniggity All they wanted was some hotdogs and s'mores !

Location. Near Flagstaff Arizona Date: May 1994 Time: late night
A couple was camping in an isolated pine forest. During the very chilly night they built a campfire. But for some unknown reason the fire kept failing. The woman felt uneasy and scared for no apparent reason. As the temperature dropped they sat in the car. Shortly thereafter the woman saw a bright star like object above the tree line. The light moved from side to side and up and down. After about 20 minutes they looked to the west and saw five more similar lights above the tree line.
These appeared to be balls of light that danced around very quickly. As they watched the original light descended down behind the tree line. While observing the lights a multi-colored craft came out of the distant northwest sky, it flew at incredible speed and quickly out of sight. Increasingly scared both prayed. Soon the lights from the sky were gone, but an oblong bright white light illuminated the forest floor. Both then took a shotgun and a pistol and settled in the tent.
Soon they heard what seemed to be persons walking outside. They sat and listened to what sounded like six to ten people walking around in every direction with an occasional tap or prod to the tent. After an hour a sound came over the tent while simultaneously the ground under the tent floor moved like waves of energy. The wife then looked up through the screened roof and saw a bright ball of white blue light in the sky, just about the tree line. From this light came a large white colored beam of light shining into the tent. The number of “persons” or creatures outside the tent increased, sounding like 30 to 40 of them. Occasionally they heard a sound like whipping wind, along with what sounded like a yipping barking noise that gave them the creeps. At one point a pulsating orange white blue light glowed right next to the tent on the forest floor. It grew larger in size then just disappeared. At daybreak both left the tent and found strange footprints in the dirt and handprints on the dust of the car.
The footprints “were toed cloven hoofs” and larger three toed feet. The four-fingered handprints had a skeletal, very long thin look. Frightened they left the area. Their families did not believe their story and they were told that they were “possessed”. HC # addition 2802 Source: Roger Bollinger Type: C?
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2014.08.28 05:35 cstrang24 Rendering Computer - $1000

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What is your maximum budget before rebates/shipping/taxes?
When do you plan on building/buying the PC? Note: beyond a week or two from today means any build you receive will be out of date when you want to buy.
What, exactly, do you need included in the budget? (ToweOS/monitokeyboard/mouse/etc)
Which country (and state/province) will you be purchasing the parts in? If you're in US, do you have access to a Microcenter location?
If reusing any parts (including monitor(s)/keyboard/mouse/etc), what parts will you be reusing? Brands and models are appreciated.
Will you be overclocking? If yes, are you interested in overclocking right away, or down the line? CPU and/or GPU?
Are there any specific features or items you want/need in the build? (ex: SSD, large amount of storage or a RAID setup, CUDA or OpenCL support, etc)
Do you have any specific case preferences (Size like ITX/microATX/mid-towefull-tower, styles, colors, window or not, LED lighting, etc), or a particular color theme preference for the components?
Do you need a copy of Windows 7 or 8.1 included in the budget? If you do need one included, do you have a preference for one or the other?
Extra info or particulars:
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